If you took my original comment to mean that cults are harmless, that’s a bit bizarre.
As for previous proven systems, I’m not sure which ones you mean. The closest analogue is religious or socialist communes, which turn bad too often for my taste. The happiest exception is kibbutzim which weren’t nearly as authoritarian as your idea. Then you have the army, which exists today just fine and we know what it’s good for, not sure why we need another one. Then there are boarding schools, sport camps etc. but these are based on learning from professionals which you don’t have.
I took your original comment to be saying “cults don’t work.”
Then, when I said “they do, though,” I took your second comment to be pearl-clutching and saying “well, now I think CFAR must be (slightly) evil or stupid for hiring someone who is willing to say out loud that cults work (gasp).”
You cannot possibly have drawn out of my statements above “Duncan thinks cousin_it thinks cults are harmless.”
I’m going to disengage because it’s not easy to have discourse with you (say things clearly, stick to a topic, expose reasoning, actually make progress toward truth or convergence). I don’t understand how your reasoning process works. I’m finding this subthread frustrating and low-value, and thus far the specific points I have been able to tease out of what you’re saying, I generally disagree with (and trust my domain knowledge and expertise more than I trust your skepticism-without-any-concrete-evidence-backing-it-up-from-someone-who’s-already-demonstrated-willingness-to-make-unfounded-leaps).
The militaries have a pretty big stick. You can go to prison for insubordination or disobeying orders; in wartime you might well just be shot for that. The Dragon Army… will give you a stern talking to?
The only person I heard of go to the brig was one who broke into barracks and stole personal property. Falsifying official records or running off to run a side job as a real estate broker was more of a ’30 days restriction, 30 days extra duty, reduction in rate to the next inferior rate, forfeiture of 1⁄2 month’s base pay for 2 months’ thing.
If you took my original comment to mean that cults are harmless, that’s a bit bizarre.
As for previous proven systems, I’m not sure which ones you mean. The closest analogue is religious or socialist communes, which turn bad too often for my taste. The happiest exception is kibbutzim which weren’t nearly as authoritarian as your idea. Then you have the army, which exists today just fine and we know what it’s good for, not sure why we need another one. Then there are boarding schools, sport camps etc. but these are based on learning from professionals which you don’t have.
sigh.
I took your original comment to be saying “cults don’t work.”
Then, when I said “they do, though,” I took your second comment to be pearl-clutching and saying “well, now I think CFAR must be (slightly) evil or stupid for hiring someone who is willing to say out loud that cults work (gasp).”
You cannot possibly have drawn out of my statements above “Duncan thinks cousin_it thinks cults are harmless.”
I’m going to disengage because it’s not easy to have discourse with you (say things clearly, stick to a topic, expose reasoning, actually make progress toward truth or convergence). I don’t understand how your reasoning process works. I’m finding this subthread frustrating and low-value, and thus far the specific points I have been able to tease out of what you’re saying, I generally disagree with (and trust my domain knowledge and expertise more than I trust your skepticism-without-any-concrete-evidence-backing-it-up-from-someone-who’s-already-demonstrated-willingness-to-make-unfounded-leaps).
The Army works just fine, and has goals that aren’t ours. Why not steal much of their model /which works and has been proven to work/?
Especially if the problematic aspects of Army culture can be avoided by seeing the skulls on the ground.
The militaries have a pretty big stick. You can go to prison for insubordination or disobeying orders; in wartime you might well just be shot for that. The Dragon Army… will give you a stern talking to?
.… will banish you from the tribe.
The only person I heard of go to the brig was one who broke into barracks and stole personal property. Falsifying official records or running off to run a side job as a real estate broker was more of a ’30 days restriction, 30 days extra duty, reduction in rate to the next inferior rate, forfeiture of 1⁄2 month’s base pay for 2 months’ thing.