I’m missing a lot of context here. How is this post connected to the other things you’re referring to as a “cancer” and what is wrong with those things and this post?
Meta note: I don’t like that your comment has a lot of “this is bad” but not a lot of why.
edit: To be clear, I’m genuinely curious. This post is also extremely confusing and bizarre, so I would appreciate hearing your take on it as someone who is skeptical but also seems to understand what it’s pointing at.
I’d actually be very interested in hearing what specific community this is, as a case study in How To Do This Right.
Feedback: This link would be a lot more useful if it had any concrete context or commentary related to the link. “A common fallacy among programmer-types” could be anything, not even related to programming, and the link title is even more vague. I clicked on it only to realize I’d already read it several years ago.
Normally, facial expressions and body language and tone of voice are credible signals. They are hard to fake for most people, which creates trust.
If you know that a specific person is good at faking those signals, they instantly become less trustworthy. They could have your best interests at heart, sure, but how would you know?
For me, the world is divided into roughly two groups:
1. People who I do not trust enough to engage in this kind of honest intellectual debate with, because our interests and values are divergent and all human communication is political.
2. Close friends, who, when we disagree, I engage in something like “double crux” naturally and automatically, because it’s the obvious general shape of how to figure out what we should do.
The latter set currently contains about two (2) people.
This is why I don’t do explicit double crux.
+1, I feel like this post is getting at something useful, but I’m too confused by the use of terminology to understand it.
I strongly disagree. All communities have to face up to this tradeoff in one way or another. Just as one example, the LW community has been low-key having this debate for a long time now; “should we be about Being Real Ambitious or just focus on being nice to the people here?”
Hobby communities have to think about how much they prioritize Being Good At Hobby vs. Just Having Fun. Church communities have to set standards of behavior and parameters under which you can say you ‘are a member.’ These standards and priorities for things other than community cohesion often mean that individuals feel less safe (if I’m not Good At Hobby I’ll be ostracized! if I do [church-disapproved behavior] I’ll be ostracized!), but serve other goals for the community that are also important.