That diagram is helpful, certainly.
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It’s not that I think many-worlds is ‘needed’ to explain it, just that whever likely-nonsense intuition I have over the subject is based on that model, so it’s best understood by me if it can be expressed in that frame.
Tell me it’s a photon that wasn’t there and I’ll go, “Whut?”
Tell me that the worlds cancel each other out to zero probability and I might, likely falsely, think I grok it.
Heh. What’s the odds of you having that winning lottery ticket?
50/50! Either I win, or I don’t.
Seems like you’re mostly saying that price-like things tend to return to an average price, then presenting a lot of evidence on why the price is low and likely to continue to be low, then claiming that it’s therefore got to go up, because things return to their average price.
I have some bit-coin. It’s still worth more than when I brought it. My best guess, as it was then, is that it’ll be worth exactly zero in a decade or two.
Sounded like a lottery-ticket with expected-payout marginally better than the actual betting-odds offered.
Still does.
Lottery tickets don’t generally win though, even if the pay out is better than the betting-odds. It’s certainly not 50⁄50.
I took the survey.
The answer to how many minutes I spend here is a bit lower than you might expect, in that my robots scan the RSS feeds and send me interesting stuff so basically it’s almost zero, unless you count my robots time somehow.
That was pretty good fun.
What I was expecting: Half a dozen nerds boozing it up and shooting the breeze about math and poltiics and self improvement.
What actually happend: More like a classroom full of people, many less nerdy than me, mostly drinking water and eating icecream (apparently I was the only one drinking that awesome Devon 6% cider), chatting about widely variing topics including math and politics and polyphasic sleep and self improvement and fan-fiction and cults and meta self-organizing stuff.
Apparently this was a bigger turnout than usual, but not by the margin I would have assumed from only reading lesswrong etc. I suspect that if the aim is to grow the membership, encouraging everyone who goes to write about it here would be helpful.
Overall good fun, will go again if scheduling allows (which is twice as likely if there’s twice as many meets of course)
Adam.. (Now also know as Pie, thanks to poor handwriting skills)
i typed my age then hit return which submitted the form with only one answer. so then i filled it in again. you’ll want to ignore that first entry. dinner arrived as i did that so that was a couple of hours ago now. age is 39 if that helps.
Bell curves may be the general case, but for the non-car-owning public-transport-using among us the situation is quite different. If a train runs every 20 minutes then being 1 minute late for the train means being 20 minutes late at the destination. Being 1 minute early has no effect on the time arriving at the destination.
It makes the prep-time discontinuous I guess.
Course, in London everyone expects everyone to often be 20 minutes late coz of the damned trains, so maybe it matter less then, heh.
I counted it, coz I’m mostly just a lurker here anyway. Far too busy!
Heh, this is pretty much how I live my life really. Coins go in the obvious coin place coz if I put ‘em anywhere else I’ll never remember where I put ’em.
See also: Proper Pocket Discipline. Everything that goes in pockets has an assigned pocket. No more searching for lighters! No more worry about keys scratching phone screens.
My books are in alphabetical order these days.
I suspect having a system for these things will also leave you better off if/when you go senile. If you’ve always looked in the same place for your coins for 60 years it’ll be more ingraned.
Well, ish. Certainly no interface between uploaded consciousness and the (still very crude) motor-control and perception systems of such androids.
That’s the vPre. It’s the virtual version of me that looks after my websites and things. An early attempt to “upload” myself as it goes. He lives at my homepage, http://dalliance.net/ and mostly just recites my twitter stream, with a search function. :)
Thanks.
Didn’t there used to be plenty of people who said blacks people don’t have souls, for instance? The whole concept is so nebulous as to be practically meaningless.
One of the later scripts talks about him inventing that android-body type machine, or at least helping develop it.
Um, yeah, you’re probably right. Won’t be around to reply/baby-sit it from now till after the weekend though. Maybe I’ll do it Tuesday.
I remember reading about an experiment in which they did exactly that: change the text on a computer screen during eye sucades, when the eyes aren’t processing data, IE while you’re “Not looking”. Which reminded me of trying to read in dreams, certainly.
I once had a lucid dream in which I decided to see how good my latent memory was by picking up a book from my self in the dream and reading the first line to see, when I woke, if I’d got it right. But it was just nonsense babble which, as you point out, kept changing. Oh well.
Thanks.
Yeah, you should have heard the sound before Danny cleaned it up ;) I should buy better equipment probably.
I think showing that the Uploads still react emotionally is going to be an important part of any work which features ’em, especially if they’re “smart” people, otherwise it can look like uploading turns you into a Spock-Bot. Mostly I was just trying to keep the dialog tight. My natural writing is way too verbose for a five minute video, perhaps I overcompensated there a little.
Having access to information and actually having assimilated it are two entirely different things.
Indeed, this is what I was talking about with the Cyc project, just having the information isn’t enough, it needs to be integrated, to have meaning.
Still, it seems many of my pub conversations are already changing with wireless mobile internet access as what would have been a large discussion about whether or not something was real, or what it did, or when it was, can be quickly checked by a source both people would agree is better than anyone physically present.
Which also points to ways conversation in general changes. Just coz you aren’t there, doesn’t mean you can’t be consulted immediately. In Farscape, the characters would be conversing with each other even when remote, without having to have an obvious comms device or think to turn it on or all. Just shout at ’em and they hear, wherever they are, whatever they’re doing.
You’re talking to some resurrected dude about his grandson, and suddenly grandson is there in the conversation saying hello from the beach where he’s lazing with a cocktail.
I always thought that looked fun, but given the rants I get from people wondering why I’d bother to log into a website to show ’em pictures of a beach holiday while I “should be off having fun” perhaps there’d be social pressure to keep conversation local.
Dunno. Look forward to finding out how it’ll all pan out anyway :)
Sounds fun. I made a little video last month about what Hanson calls “Ems” that’s supposed to grow into a bigger discussion on the political and social consequences. I call ’em “Uploads” though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXAuglDs95s
That’s more immediate-future rather than fifty years hence though. The script for later episodes talks more about their having failed to make any kind of AI work properly other than by scanning and uploading though, how learning facts is not the same as understanding with digs at the Cyc project.
If you’re setting something further future I’d think a lot about exactly how this whole internet thing is going to be affecting social change over the next fifty years. Everyone’s presumably connected wirelessly all the time, google and the wikipedia closer to everyone’s brain than merely “at their fingertips”. How does conversation change when everyone know everything there is to know about everything?
Wicked. I was just thinking about writing a script to scrape ‘em and stick ’em on my phone for those tube journeys when I haven’t got a book with me.
Been using the Harry Potter fan-fic for that but seem to be about to run out of it.
Thanks to all those who have already done it for me :)
Heard back from the guy I emailed. Sounds like the meeting next month is mostly for folks who are signed up already, with more policy and practice stuff than enrolment and talk about the actual process.
I’ve asked him if he’ll either do a Q&A here on exactly what UK folks would have to do, or else suggest someone who will.
Seems like it’d be a lot of effort to trek up to Sheffield for just the answers to some questions.
Hopefully he’ll say yes :)
Thanks, makes some sort of sense this morning at least.