I think the evidence favors the conclusion that insects feel pain but doesn’t make it certain. Maybe 2⁄3 odds! However, even if the odds are, say, 1%, they matter a lot.
Bentham's Bulldog
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I use them both to refer to a kind of unpleasant experience.
While it might be that what you’re saying is correct, it’s at least plausible that creatures with simple minds—so long as they still perform normal functions—can suffer intensely https://benthams.substack.com/p/betting-on-ubiquitous-pain. So for that reason it’s still very bad in expectation.
Even if we’re not full on fanatics—multiplying probability times magnitude in EV calculations--.2% risks are obviously not worth rounding down to zero. A .2% chance that we were torturing 10^18 people would be the worst thing in the world!
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But not all possible people are continuous wavefunctions!
Bentham’s bulldog here! It seems like you’re calculating the number of distinct people—in the sense of the number of people that differs regarding some mental or physical property. But that’s not what’s relevant. SIA favors theories with Beth 2 copies of the same person.
First of all, the claim that wild animal suffering is serious doesn’t depend on the claim that animals suffer more than they are happy. I happen to think human suffering is very serious, even though I think humans live positive lives.
Second, I don’t think it’s depressive bias infecting my judgments. I am quite happy—actually to a rather unusual degree. Instead, the reason to think that animals live mostly bad lives is that nearly every animal lives a very short life that culminates in a painful death on account of R-selection—if you live only ~a week, you don’t have enough positive experiences to outweigh the badness of a painful death.
Regarding the claim that I should be speaking out against factory farming, um...I’m not sure if you’ve read the rest of my writing.
https://benthams.substack.com/p/factory-farming-delenda-est
https://benthams.substack.com/p/weve-created-hell-its-called-factory
I tend to think farming decreases wild animal suffering by lowering wild animal populations https://reducing-suffering.org/humanitys-net-impact-on-wild-animal-suffering/