Eliezer:
Its hard for me to put it into words… but i have that feeling in the back of my head of something being wrong.
Maybe I’m a gullible philistine, because while i don’t personally appreciate it, I do hold modern art to fall under the “art” category. Python, not so. Python is more of a tool it seems. You could say that a Python program could be art, and I would accept that. but the language itself doesn’t seem to fit “art” as much as it does “tool”.
Now before you blame me of tossing around and manipulating definitions, I’m going by what i think is the current general understanding of those words. its quite useful following current understandings of words otherwise pizza quietly bucket decision.
Also, you call rationality an “art”. I see where you’re going with that, and i do agree that rationality can be thought of as an art. If I’m not mistaken, your idea behind this is to keep people from falling into the trap of thinking of it as a “method” or something similar, thereby making it a conditional tool, rather than a general style of approaching life.
But honestly it seems to me that saying modern art is not art is to make yourself a philistine. Saying the Python programming language is art feels like stretching the definition of art much like your example of stretching the definition of fish to include dolphins. Perhaps that statement was a jest or some sort of sarcasm i missed. If so i apologize.
Anyway, i’m not going to try to put what i think art means into words, as i either dont know enough words to do so, or simply cant think of them. But i do have the concept in my mind, and it feels like this post is violating this understanding, in a somewhat hypocritical manner.
This is probably one the most thought-provoking comments section i’ve read on this site so far.
I never really thought how different people’s visualizing (or lack thereof) could be. Specifically, I never thought some people couldn’t visualize at all. I always kind of assumed that people visualized fairly similarly to me. Looking back, this was a naive and selfish view, but still, so much difference...
For example, I saw the man walking on the left side of the street. I was standing in the middle of the sidewalk, at roughly my real-life height. the man was shorter than me (im 190cm, this is usually a safe bet). The man was elderly and heavily hunched, using a cane as he walked away from me (he was moving slowly). he was wearing a faded brown suit and hat you might have seen a senior wear in the 60′s or 70′s (funny considering im 22, and was nowhere near alive in that time-frame. I blame movies for this classic small-town scene). The sidewalk had small trees with short metal fence-cages around them (whatever those things are called) by the road spaced evenly every couple buildings apart. there were cars parked (no details on the cars other then that they were all sedan-sized). The street was deserted other than the man. it was approximately 5-6pm in summer by the sunlight and warmth (i don’t know how temperature sneaked in there). the man turns left into a drugstore. he did not open the door, it swung open for him by itself somehow (though there was a faint metallic bell-sound when the door opened, as you often hear when walking into a small store). I didn’t see him go in. the scene ended before he passed out of vision behind the door (it opened on the near side from him).
I have no idea how someone could possible imagine a scene like this without actually knowing the mans orientation, or personal position. I literally cannot conceive this scene without being a part of it, and having that level of detail. maybe this is why I enjoy novels and gaming so much. Specifically fantasy novels and games. I feel like I’m literally a part of another world and living the adventure.
Granted, thinking further on my “vision” some very interesting things come to mind. The man walks slowly and in real life his walking should have taken 30-40 seconds. However in my scene it happened in a split second. I have no idea how my brain managed to compress time. and it doesn’t feel like the scene jumped. it felt normal. Also there was no one else on the street that i visualized, but i somehow knew it was a semi-busy small town street, and there were some people walking around, even though i could not see them.
Its actually mildly unnerving how i can visualize the scene with no other people there, and yet be absolutely certain that the scene i visualized had many other people too. And even more unnerving how I managed to watch 30-40 secs of footage in normal speed and have it happen in 1-2 secs. Anyone know how these things happen in the brain? I’d love to know more about these phenomena.