I posted there 3 comments and got 6 downvotes which resulted in extreme negative emotions all the evening that day. While I understand why they were downvoted, my emotional reaction is still a surprise for me.
Because of this, I am not interested to participate in the new site, but I like current LW where downvoting is turned off.
It may be worth noting that “6 downvotes” need not mean that 6 people downvoted you. LW2 has “weighted voting” which means that the number of points your upvotes/downvotes change the victim’s karma by depends on your own karma level. So maybe you were downvoted twice by weight-3 users, or three times by weight-2 users; in any case, losing 6 points probably corresponds to <6 downvotes.
Two my comments got −3 each, so probably only one person with high carma was able to do so.
Thanks for the explanation. Typically I got 70 percent upvoted in LW1, and getting −3 was a signal that I am in a much more aggressive environment, than was LW1.
Anyway, the best downvoting system is on the Longecity forum, where many types of downvotes exist, like “non-informative”, “biased” “bad grammar”—but all them are signed, that is they are non-anonymous. If you know who and why downvoted you, you will know how to improve the next post. If you are downvoted without explanation, it feels like a strike in the dark.
I don’t disagree with weighted votes per se, but saying “6 downvotes” really is misleading, if there were actually less than 6 votes.
I wonder whether it would be helpful to display the karma in analog form, for example as a line, where longer line would mean more total votes (not in linear proportion, but in a way where infinite number of votes asymptotically corresponds to the full width of the used part of page), and the line has a green part and gray part whose length ratio represents the upvotes/downvotes ratio. And of course tooltip for number, but the idea is that people would get the right idea without seeing the numbers.
I agree that it’s misleading. One thing that’s been mooted—I don’t know whether it’s in any way likely to happen, but it seems like it would be an improvement—is changing from “a level-n user’s vote is worth n points” to “a level-n user can vote up to n times on anything”. Then if you wanted to use your awesome multi-voting power (1) you’d have to expend at least a little extra effort, (2) you would have the option of giving intermediate numbers of votes, and (3) it would no longer be wrong to say “this got 7 upvotes and 3 downvotes” or whatever.
The analogue-karma-display idea is intriguing. My immediate feeling is that it would be really hard to make this comprehensible, though.
I reregistered as avturchin, because after my password was reseted for turchin, it was not clear what I should do next. However, after I reregistered as avturchin, I was not able to return to my original username, - probably because the LW2 prevent several accounts from one person. I prefer to connect to my original name, but don’t know how to do, and don’t have much time to search how to do it correctly.
I suspect the answer, if you want to do it, is to contact an admin. I think the LW2 admins are generally helpful, and it’s much easier for them to change things than it is for the old-LW admins.
That is correct! I’ve been a bit less responsive in the last week, but usually get back to people within half an hour to an hour, and have helped dozens of people migrate their accounts, fix bugs, change email addresses, etc.
I posted there 3 comments and got 6 downvotes which resulted in extreme negative emotions all the evening that day. While I understand why they were downvoted, my emotional reaction is still a surprise for me.
Because of this, I am not interested to participate in the new site, but I like current LW where downvoting is turned off.
It may be worth noting that “6 downvotes” need not mean that 6 people downvoted you. LW2 has “weighted voting” which means that the number of points your upvotes/downvotes change the victim’s karma by depends on your own karma level. So maybe you were downvoted twice by weight-3 users, or three times by weight-2 users; in any case, losing 6 points probably corresponds to <6 downvotes.
Weighted karma is a system that heavily violates user expectations and is a bad idea for that reason alone.
What if weight were capped at 1?
Two my comments got −3 each, so probably only one person with high carma was able to do so.
Thanks for the explanation. Typically I got 70 percent upvoted in LW1, and getting −3 was a signal that I am in a much more aggressive environment, than was LW1.
Anyway, the best downvoting system is on the Longecity forum, where many types of downvotes exist, like “non-informative”, “biased” “bad grammar”—but all them are signed, that is they are non-anonymous. If you know who and why downvoted you, you will know how to improve the next post. If you are downvoted without explanation, it feels like a strike in the dark.
I don’t disagree with weighted votes per se, but saying “6 downvotes” really is misleading, if there were actually less than 6 votes.
I wonder whether it would be helpful to display the karma in analog form, for example as a line, where longer line would mean more total votes (not in linear proportion, but in a way where infinite number of votes asymptotically corresponds to the full width of the used part of page), and the line has a green part and gray part whose length ratio represents the upvotes/downvotes ratio. And of course tooltip for number, but the idea is that people would get the right idea without seeing the numbers.
I agree that it’s misleading. One thing that’s been mooted—I don’t know whether it’s in any way likely to happen, but it seems like it would be an improvement—is changing from “a level-n user’s vote is worth n points” to “a level-n user can vote up to n times on anything”. Then if you wanted to use your awesome multi-voting power (1) you’d have to expend at least a little extra effort, (2) you would have the option of giving intermediate numbers of votes, and (3) it would no longer be wrong to say “this got 7 upvotes and 3 downvotes” or whatever.
The analogue-karma-display idea is intriguing. My immediate feeling is that it would be really hard to make this comprehensible, though.
There is a user on LW2 with your username but no recent comments that I can see. Did you do this with a different username?
(Feel free not to answer if you would rather keep those identities separate. I’m just curious.)
I reregistered as avturchin, because after my password was reseted for turchin, it was not clear what I should do next. However, after I reregistered as avturchin, I was not able to return to my original username, - probably because the LW2 prevent several accounts from one person. I prefer to connect to my original name, but don’t know how to do, and don’t have much time to search how to do it correctly.
I suspect the answer, if you want to do it, is to contact an admin. I think the LW2 admins are generally helpful, and it’s much easier for them to change things than it is for the old-LW admins.
That is correct! I’ve been a bit less responsive in the last week, but usually get back to people within half an hour to an hour, and have helped dozens of people migrate their accounts, fix bugs, change email addresses, etc.