Depends. What is your objective. Every farm animal replaces a wild animal, by process of production.
Farmland takes space. Farms produce food for animals. More farmland therefore less wild animals.
Less space for wild animals more chances of extincting animals.
Every thing is a trade off.
Vegans are ethical or for health, but both stances are ethical and they are not mutually separable. If you are healthier then you are less burden on nature as well.
If killing off people is your goal with civilizational illness such as heart problems strokes and diabetes or significantly reducing life quality and expectancy then meat is OK, but the current problem is not just meat consumption, but overall quality of food, which is partially by product of mass production and high demand which is higher than ever before.
Your health is not something you can impact very much always, but it is always better (without ethical weights) to be somewhat healthier, if possible.
Meat is not cheap, from environmental perspective.
Calculating the impact of meat production, by consumption alone is not the issue.
Before and after eating meat, where you get protein and fat, you also have to take in consideration what happens to nature before and after.
Only then we can have ethical stance fully meaningfully.
I don’t know how much of meat production hurts environment, but if all industries are so bad for environment, as far as I know this one is not different by much.
Its also important to note that you are taking stance of not harming animals needlessly.
Or survival of humans?
Unfortunately these two are connected directly.
The direct connection is simply not easy to see, because we don’t yet consider it.
The connection is that eating a pig while immediately OK, in long term and context of civilized world means you expect to leave no harm to environment while demand for mean and overproduction of meat is massive.
Meat is also more demanding on refrigeration and energy.
The animals suffer yes, but if we omit that as bad for them, but good for us we have to justify eating meat everyday, every month, every, year and so on.
If people reduce eating meat to healthy portions the demand for meat would probably go down by several multiples.
If I remember correctly when I eat meat I could have eaten as much as 2 meals of meat per week, every day of week.
I don’t think framing this problem as vegans for ethics actually makes sense in light of what the industry has now.
It simply operates on technologies that provide very little hope for better outcomes.
The problem is meat industries exist now, and need profit now, but the bad impact it has is cumulative and over many years.
As for animal wellfare I so no point in discussing such things, as long as people agree that pigs feel pain and go through a process of life that is simply brutal.
Unless someone can show me how long brutal life of farm pig is better than short brutal life of wild pig.
Wild animals suffer yes. But they also have function for us.
The benefit of nature is easy to see for humans, but in sum wild animals and wild nature sustains our civilization much more than meat production.
Depends. What is your objective. Every farm animal replaces a wild animal, by process of production.
Farmland takes space. Farms produce food for animals. More farmland therefore less wild animals.
Less space for wild animals more chances of extincting animals.
Every thing is a trade off.
Vegans are ethical or for health, but both stances are ethical and they are not mutually separable. If you are healthier then you are less burden on nature as well.
If killing off people is your goal with civilizational illness such as heart problems strokes and diabetes or significantly reducing life quality and expectancy then meat is OK, but the current problem is not just meat consumption, but overall quality of food, which is partially by product of mass production and high demand which is higher than ever before.
Your health is not something you can impact very much always, but it is always better (without ethical weights) to be somewhat healthier, if possible.
Meat is not cheap, from environmental perspective.
Calculating the impact of meat production, by consumption alone is not the issue.
Before and after eating meat, where you get protein and fat, you also have to take in consideration what happens to nature before and after.
Only then we can have ethical stance fully meaningfully.
I don’t know how much of meat production hurts environment, but if all industries are so bad for environment, as far as I know this one is not different by much.
Its also important to note that you are taking stance of not harming animals needlessly.
Or survival of humans?
Unfortunately these two are connected directly.
The direct connection is simply not easy to see, because we don’t yet consider it.
The connection is that eating a pig while immediately OK, in long term and context of civilized world means you expect to leave no harm to environment while demand for mean and overproduction of meat is massive.
Meat is also more demanding on refrigeration and energy.
The animals suffer yes, but if we omit that as bad for them, but good for us we have to justify eating meat everyday, every month, every, year and so on.
If people reduce eating meat to healthy portions the demand for meat would probably go down by several multiples.
If I remember correctly when I eat meat I could have eaten as much as 2 meals of meat per week, every day of week.
I don’t think framing this problem as vegans for ethics actually makes sense in light of what the industry has now.
It simply operates on technologies that provide very little hope for better outcomes.
The problem is meat industries exist now, and need profit now, but the bad impact it has is cumulative and over many years.
As for animal wellfare I so no point in discussing such things, as long as people agree that pigs feel pain and go through a process of life that is simply brutal.
Unless someone can show me how long brutal life of farm pig is better than short brutal life of wild pig.
Wild animals suffer yes. But they also have function for us.
The benefit of nature is easy to see for humans, but in sum wild animals and wild nature sustains our civilization much more than meat production.