“But calling this Knightian unpredictability ‘free will’ just confuses both issues.”
torekp, a quick clarification: I never DO identify Knightian unpredictability with “free will” in the essay. On the contrary, precisely because “free will” has too many overloaded meanings, I make a point of separating out what I’m talking about, and of referring to it as “freedom,” “Knightian freedom,” or “Knightian unpredictability,” but never free will.
On the other hand, I also offer arguments for why I think unpredictability IS at least indirectly relevant to what most people want to know about when they discuss “free will”—in much the same way that intelligent behavior (e.g., passing the Turing Test) is relevant to what people want to know about when they discuss consciousness. It’s not that I’m unaware of the arguments that there’s no connection whatsoever between the two; it’s just that I disagree with them!
Sorry about misrepresenting you. I should have said “associating it with free will” instead of “calling it free will”. I do think the association is a mistake. Admittedly it fits with a long tradition, in theology especially, of seeing freedom of action as being mutually exclusive with causal determination. It’s just that the tradition is a mistake. Probably a motivated one (it conveniently gets a deity off the hook for creating and raising such badly behaved “children”).
Well, all I can say is that “getting a deity off the hook” couldn’t possibly be further from my motives! :-) For the record, I see no evidence for a deity anything like that of conventional religions, and I see enormous evidence that such a deity would have to be pretty morally monstrous if it did exist. (I like the Yiddish proverb: “If God lived on earth, people would break His windows.”) I’m guessing this isn’t a hard sell here on LW.
Furthermore, for me the theodicy problem isn’t even really connected to free will. As Dostoyevsky pointed out, even if there is indeterminist free will, you would still hope that a loving deity would install some “safety bumpers,” so that people could choose to do somewhat bad things (like stealing hubcaps), but would be prevented from doing really, really bad ones (like mass-murdering children).
One last clarification: the whole point of my perspective is that I don’t have to care about so-called “causal determination”—either the theistic kind or the scientific kind—until and unless it gets cashed out into actual predictions! (See Sec. 2.6.)
“But calling this Knightian unpredictability ‘free will’ just confuses both issues.”
torekp, a quick clarification: I never DO identify Knightian unpredictability with “free will” in the essay. On the contrary, precisely because “free will” has too many overloaded meanings, I make a point of separating out what I’m talking about, and of referring to it as “freedom,” “Knightian freedom,” or “Knightian unpredictability,” but never free will.
On the other hand, I also offer arguments for why I think unpredictability IS at least indirectly relevant to what most people want to know about when they discuss “free will”—in much the same way that intelligent behavior (e.g., passing the Turing Test) is relevant to what people want to know about when they discuss consciousness. It’s not that I’m unaware of the arguments that there’s no connection whatsoever between the two; it’s just that I disagree with them!
Sorry about misrepresenting you. I should have said “associating it with free will” instead of “calling it free will”. I do think the association is a mistake. Admittedly it fits with a long tradition, in theology especially, of seeing freedom of action as being mutually exclusive with causal determination. It’s just that the tradition is a mistake. Probably a motivated one (it conveniently gets a deity off the hook for creating and raising such badly behaved “children”).
Well, all I can say is that “getting a deity off the hook” couldn’t possibly be further from my motives! :-) For the record, I see no evidence for a deity anything like that of conventional religions, and I see enormous evidence that such a deity would have to be pretty morally monstrous if it did exist. (I like the Yiddish proverb: “If God lived on earth, people would break His windows.”) I’m guessing this isn’t a hard sell here on LW.
Furthermore, for me the theodicy problem isn’t even really connected to free will. As Dostoyevsky pointed out, even if there is indeterminist free will, you would still hope that a loving deity would install some “safety bumpers,” so that people could choose to do somewhat bad things (like stealing hubcaps), but would be prevented from doing really, really bad ones (like mass-murdering children).
One last clarification: the whole point of my perspective is that I don’t have to care about so-called “causal determination”—either the theistic kind or the scientific kind—until and unless it gets cashed out into actual predictions! (See Sec. 2.6.)