Interesting, but seems unconvincing and not very motivating.
Assuming the CDT system, I’d presume that most people on LessWrong have hit 4⁄3; level 4 is simply defined to be the level at which you reliably apply metacognition. Fine, but I don’t see that reliably applying metacognition dissolves the problems of akrasia. Right now I’d say that level 4 is necessary, but insufficient. There’s a gap. Or, at least I perceive a gap.
So here’s my question: Are you unable to imagine someone who holds themselves as object having akrasia, or do you think such people cannot exist?
“I know many folks who have been part of the Less Wrong community for a long time yet have thus far won very little.”
I actually think that no, most folks on LW have not reached 4⁄3, and it’s what’s holding them back. The same is true of the general population.
As for the gap you perceive, you’re right that there is one if we limit ourselves to talking about the defining characteristics of constructive developmental levels, but constructive development tends to carry along with it a package of patterns of thought that fill that gap.
So to answer your question, yes, such a person could exist, however there should be relatively few such people who don’t, in a period of a year or two, don’t get over their akrasia barring any particular mental abnormalities.
If I get you, you’re saying that in practice getting to level 4 generally carries you past that gap. Like the patterns of thought accrete into a sort of momentum.
Right. It seems that whatever is actually involved in primarily engaging in constructive developmental level 4 thinking tends to come along with a package of other things, although it’s not entirely clear what that package of things is.
For example, constructive developmental level is positively correlated with leadership skill.
So that gives us some ideas of things that seem to come along with higher constructive developmental levels, but sadly the literature has primarily focused on reasoning out conclusions and done very little to test if constructive developmental level correlates with stuff, which would be useful here for figuring out what to expect at particular levels.
Interesting, but seems unconvincing and not very motivating.
Assuming the CDT system, I’d presume that most people on LessWrong have hit 4⁄3; level 4 is simply defined to be the level at which you reliably apply metacognition. Fine, but I don’t see that reliably applying metacognition dissolves the problems of akrasia. Right now I’d say that level 4 is necessary, but insufficient. There’s a gap. Or, at least I perceive a gap.
So here’s my question: Are you unable to imagine someone who holds themselves as object having akrasia, or do you think such people cannot exist?
“I know many folks who have been part of the Less Wrong community for a long time yet have thus far won very little.”
This is certainly a concern.
I actually think that no, most folks on LW have not reached 4⁄3, and it’s what’s holding them back. The same is true of the general population.
As for the gap you perceive, you’re right that there is one if we limit ourselves to talking about the defining characteristics of constructive developmental levels, but constructive development tends to carry along with it a package of patterns of thought that fill that gap.
So to answer your question, yes, such a person could exist, however there should be relatively few such people who don’t, in a period of a year or two, don’t get over their akrasia barring any particular mental abnormalities.
If I get you, you’re saying that in practice getting to level 4 generally carries you past that gap. Like the patterns of thought accrete into a sort of momentum.
Right. It seems that whatever is actually involved in primarily engaging in constructive developmental level 4 thinking tends to come along with a package of other things, although it’s not entirely clear what that package of things is.
For example, constructive developmental level is positively correlated with leadership skill.
https://getd.libs.uga.edu/pdfs/harris_lauren_s_200512_ms.pdf
So that gives us some ideas of things that seem to come along with higher constructive developmental levels, but sadly the literature has primarily focused on reasoning out conclusions and done very little to test if constructive developmental level correlates with stuff, which would be useful here for figuring out what to expect at particular levels.