as you point out Moldbug dosen’t focus on politically incorrect issues, but he does utterly demolish the institutions that give moral value and legitimacy to political correctness
Yes. (“Yes he attacks them”, not “Yes they’re evil and worthless”.) But certainly it’s not random chance that his views on daily life might mirror the “politically correct” ones (those developed in the 20th century, that is, like tolerating non-harmful alternate lifestyles); there’s likely some process—for example, Randian moral reasoning (I’m not saying he’s a Randian, or that it has any merit) - that lets one arriive at some of the same views without the institutions of political correctness like the universities. Knowing his (highly rationalist/anal retentive) style of thinking, he definitely has some source of moral value and legitimacy for his opinions, less-controversial ones included. If one opposes “PC the process” without substituting anything, how does one arrive at agreeing with “PC issues”?
Now obviously Moldbug may be wrong, but many people here think he isn’t.
Taboo “Moldbug” :D ; he’s reasonably original as a writer, but for any one of his opinions there’s a better-known individual that expressed it; he just merged them into a Grand Theory. Also, while indeed a significant proportion of LWers who talk politics might endorse the same views as him (I didn’t count heads), the LWers who talk politics are an insignificant proportion of the community.
P.S. While reading, my brain autocompletes the capitalized words “Grand Theory” to “Grand Theft Auto” :(
The LWers who talk politics are an insignificant proportion of the community.
Yes but I wasn’t saying they where a large fraction of the community.Recall what started this branch of the debate. I was implying they aren’t shunned, and they get quite a bit of karma since they often do a good job of arguing about their positions. Other LessWrongers aren’t short circuited by their arguments and hold them to fair rationalist standards. Which is what I would wish we could do on most mindkilling topics.
Yes. (“Yes he attacks them”, not “Yes they’re evil and worthless”.) But certainly it’s not random chance that his views on daily life might mirror the “politically correct” ones (those developed in the 20th century, that is, like tolerating non-harmful alternate lifestyles); there’s likely some process—for example, Randian moral reasoning (I’m not saying he’s a Randian, or that it has any merit) - that lets one arriive at some of the same views without the institutions of political correctness like the universities. Knowing his (highly rationalist/anal retentive) style of thinking, he definitely has some source of moral value and legitimacy for his opinions, less-controversial ones included. If one opposes “PC the process” without substituting anything, how does one arrive at agreeing with “PC issues”?
Taboo “Moldbug” :D ; he’s reasonably original as a writer, but for any one of his opinions there’s a better-known individual that expressed it; he just merged them into a Grand Theory. Also, while indeed a significant proportion of LWers who talk politics might endorse the same views as him (I didn’t count heads), the LWers who talk politics are an insignificant proportion of the community.
P.S. While reading, my brain autocompletes the capitalized words “Grand Theory” to “Grand Theft Auto” :(
Yes but I wasn’t saying they where a large fraction of the community. Recall what started this branch of the debate. I was implying they aren’t shunned, and they get quite a bit of karma since they often do a good job of arguing about their positions. Other LessWrongers aren’t short circuited by their arguments and hold them to fair rationalist standards. Which is what I would wish we could do on most mindkilling topics.