Excellent post! I found the starcraft fairly amusing. Though, I am curious. Doesn’t your analogy of starcraft solve the issue with trapped priors?
Like you said, players who played all three factions mostly agree that all factions tend to be roughly similar in difficulty. However, to play all 3 factions you must arbitrarily start off playing one faction. If such people had their priors completely trapped then they wouldn’t be able to change their mind after the first game, which clearly isn’t true.
I feel like even if two people disagree in theory they tend to agree in practice once you have experience with every viewpoint and point to concrete examples. (For instance, the EA and Effective Samaritan likely both agree that Denmark style social democracy is generally good while Maoist Communism is generally bad, even if they disagree on what socialism is or whether it’s good or not!).
Clearly the rationalist strategy then is not to immediately assume your right (which evidence doesn’t support) but to run an experiment and figure out who’s right. Notably, you shouldn’t be using underhanded tactics!
I wake up to an email, thanking me and explaining how my donation has helped launch charter cities in two developing countries. Of course getting the approvals required some dirty political maneuvering, but that is the price of getting anything done.
I think of the Effective Samaritan, who has just woken up to a similar thankful email from the Developing Unions Project. In it, they explain how their donation helped make it possible for them to open a new branch of advocacy, lobbying to shut down two charter cities whose lax regulations are abused by employers to circumvent union agreements. It will require some dirty political maneuvering to get them shut down, but the ends will justify the means.
Like, this seems pretty clearly like a prisoner’s dilemma doesn’t it? You have concluded ‘the benefits will exceed the costs’ without being able to convince a reasonable opponent of the same using empirical evidence, and you went ahead and caused tangible harm anyways. Meanwhile the effective Samaritan used similar tactics to end your experiment before it bore fruit. Lose lose. You were both better off agreeing that ‘underhand tactics bad’ and proceeding accordingly.
Why not just decide not to fight eachother? He starts unions in one developing country and you do a charter city in another. If one strategy is clearly better (which you both seem to insist on) then clearly the winning choice is to stop. There’s no need for randomization or compromise, just moderation. You don’t need to try and actively undermine eachother’s efforts if we expect the results to speak for themselves. Somewhere in reality there is a truth somewhere between your worldviews. You just need to find out.
As long as you recognize potential biases and are willing to experiment wouldn’t you eventually arrive at the correct conclusions? Why bemoan the priors? They don’t actually effect reality.
Excellent post! I found the starcraft fairly amusing. Though, I am curious. Doesn’t your analogy of starcraft solve the issue with trapped priors?
Like you said, players who played all three factions mostly agree that all factions tend to be roughly similar in difficulty. However, to play all 3 factions you must arbitrarily start off playing one faction. If such people had their priors completely trapped then they wouldn’t be able to change their mind after the first game, which clearly isn’t true.
I feel like even if two people disagree in theory they tend to agree in practice once you have experience with every viewpoint and point to concrete examples. (For instance, the EA and Effective Samaritan likely both agree that Denmark style social democracy is generally good while Maoist Communism is generally bad, even if they disagree on what socialism is or whether it’s good or not!).
Clearly the rationalist strategy then is not to immediately assume your right (which evidence doesn’t support) but to run an experiment and figure out who’s right. Notably, you shouldn’t be using underhanded tactics!
Like, this seems pretty clearly like a prisoner’s dilemma doesn’t it? You have concluded ‘the benefits will exceed the costs’ without being able to convince a reasonable opponent of the same using empirical evidence, and you went ahead and caused tangible harm anyways. Meanwhile the effective Samaritan used similar tactics to end your experiment before it bore fruit. Lose lose. You were both better off agreeing that ‘underhand tactics bad’ and proceeding accordingly.
Why not just decide not to fight eachother? He starts unions in one developing country and you do a charter city in another. If one strategy is clearly better (which you both seem to insist on) then clearly the winning choice is to stop. There’s no need for randomization or compromise, just moderation. You don’t need to try and actively undermine eachother’s efforts if we expect the results to speak for themselves. Somewhere in reality there is a truth somewhere between your worldviews. You just need to find out.
As long as you recognize potential biases and are willing to experiment wouldn’t you eventually arrive at the correct conclusions? Why bemoan the priors? They don’t actually effect reality.