Still, that doesn’t imply that AGI will be economically viable unless you show that humans will still be the limiting factor after every human skill that can be transfered to a specialized AI has been trasfered.
If every human skill has been transferred, including that of employing or combining specialized-AIs, then in what sense do the groups of specialized-AIs not then comprise an AGI?
This argument would seem to reduce you to confronting a dilemma: if every human skill has been transferred to specialized-AIs, then a complex of specialized-AIs by definition now forms an AGI which outperforms all humans; if not every human skill has been transferred, such as employing specialized-AIs, then there is the very large economic niche for AGIs which I have identified with my Amdahl’s law argument. So either there exist AGI which outperform all humans, or there exists economic pressure for AGI.
Oh. I thought it was just for replying to the comment which was negative. I guess this is what Wedrifid or whomever meant when they pointed out that the feature could strike in unexpected places...
I want someone to undo this part, if not the whole thing. Discouraging people from replying to people who are unpopular or wrong is bad. Preventing new users who are perceived as wrong from defending themselves is extremely bad.
If you don’t want to discourage replies to downvoted comments, then you want to undo the whole thing. That’s what this feature is for. It shouldn’t be doing anything else, and if it is then that’s a mistake that should be corrected.
Regardless of whether or not we should discourage replies to downvoted comments, we should avoid discouraging replies to the replies to downvoted comments. People who are downvoted should not be discouraged from speaking up about their ideas, even if those ideas are bad. That’s the way that those people go about improving.
Additionally, if they’re discouraged from defending their ideas in more detail or from addressing criticisms, but they actually happened to be correct or at least to make a good point, then discouraging them is an extremely bad idea.
Regardless of whether or not we should discourage replies to downvoted comments, we should avoid discouraging replies to the replies to downvoted comments.
I don’t follow. My comment http://lesswrong.com/lw/f53/now_i_appreciate_agency/7q56 was not at any point in the negative, much less the −5 or whatever that would cause the new karma penalty thing to kick in.
If every human skill has been transferred, including that of employing or combining specialized-AIs, then in what sense do the groups of specialized-AIs not then comprise an AGI?
This argument would seem to reduce you to confronting a dilemma: if every human skill has been transferred to specialized-AIs, then a complex of specialized-AIs by definition now forms an AGI which outperforms all humans; if not every human skill has been transferred, such as employing specialized-AIs, then there is the very large economic niche for AGIs which I have identified with my Amdahl’s law argument. So either there exist AGI which outperform all humans, or there exists economic pressure for AGI.
I believe the penalty now applies if any comment upstream has the requisite negative value.
Oh. I thought it was just for replying to the comment which was negative. I guess this is what Wedrifid or whomever meant when they pointed out that the feature could strike in unexpected places...
Indeed. It can be very annoying to reply to a positive-karma comment and discover you will be charged 5 karma for the privilege.
I want someone to undo this part, if not the whole thing. Discouraging people from replying to people who are unpopular or wrong is bad. Preventing new users who are perceived as wrong from defending themselves is extremely bad.
If you don’t want to discourage replies to downvoted comments, then you want to undo the whole thing. That’s what this feature is for. It shouldn’t be doing anything else, and if it is then that’s a mistake that should be corrected.
Regardless of whether or not we should discourage replies to downvoted comments, we should avoid discouraging replies to the replies to downvoted comments. People who are downvoted should not be discouraged from speaking up about their ideas, even if those ideas are bad. That’s the way that those people go about improving.
Additionally, if they’re discouraged from defending their ideas in more detail or from addressing criticisms, but they actually happened to be correct or at least to make a good point, then discouraging them is an extremely bad idea.
Oh, agreed.