Ad funded houses really can’t work, unless we figure out how to make housing much cheaper. An upper bound on the amount it can be worth to advertise to someone is the amount of money they spend, and in practice it’s much lower
… Or ARPU for ads grows which is the point I am making. It grew from 0 to whereever it is now in 20 years and in another 20 it may match the average mortgage cost of a USA household. This is without taking into account that a lot of people would settle for less than average home, and that ad-homes would probably monetize better. Since average mortgage is only about $10k/year, I find it plausible to think of such ad-driven annual spend.
But lets say it takes 100 years to reach that point. My question that you still elluded to answer stands: is this the world you want your children to grow in?
There isn’t much I can say publicly on this, except that this is a huge misunderstanding of the business?
Secrecy is understandable just not an argument. I provided evidence of first hand experience of growing and aggressive monetization and it should be obvious to anyone reading from their own experience that it is indeed the case. And since you did not produce any evidence to the contrry, I will not dig more into it and let the reader decide.
Again, I don’t have internal numbers, but I would be very surprised if ads-per-search today were higher than it was ten years ago.
Can we agree that ads-per search are certainly higher than 20 years ago when there were no ads?
And not only that number of ads is growing, their presentation is increasingly aggressive :
Since my wrists got really bad I’ve started watching a lot more video, including YouTube. There is no way there’s a commercial every 30 seconds; where are you getting that?
Ads per video have definetely gone up to the intelligence insulting levels. Try watching any cartoon with your kids without an ad blocker.
ARPU for ads grows which is the point I am making. It grew from 0 to whereever it is now in 20 years
You’re talking about how much one company was able to grow ad revenue, which not surprisingly went up a lot as the company learned how to do ads. At the same time, other companies saw a large decreases revenue per user: famously, newspapers used to make a huge amount of money from classified advertising. Instead, I would look at the growth pattern of total advertising spend per American.
Since average mortgage is only about $10k/year, I find it plausible to think of such ad-driven annual spend.
Someone poor enough to consider an ad-funded house their best option is not going to have a spending pattern worth $10k/y to influence.
Can we agree that ads-per search are certainly higher than 20 years ago when there were no ads?
Of course, but I don’t see what point you’re making?
their presentation is increasingly aggressive
Your link goes to a discussion of a change to search results which showed favicons for regular results. I again don’t have any internal information on this, but from this looked to me like a change to make search results more informative. After objections, the change was rolled back.
… Or ARPU for ads grows which is the point I am making. It grew from 0 to whereever it is now in 20 years and in another 20 it may match the average mortgage cost of a USA household. This is without taking into account that a lot of people would settle for less than average home, and that ad-homes would probably monetize better. Since average mortgage is only about $10k/year, I find it plausible to think of such ad-driven annual spend.
But lets say it takes 100 years to reach that point. My question that you still elluded to answer stands: is this the world you want your children to grow in?
Secrecy is understandable just not an argument. I provided evidence of first hand experience of growing and aggressive monetization and it should be obvious to anyone reading from their own experience that it is indeed the case. And since you did not produce any evidence to the contrry, I will not dig more into it and let the reader decide.
Can we agree that ads-per search are certainly higher than 20 years ago when there were no ads?
And not only that number of ads is growing, their presentation is increasingly aggressive :
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22107823
Ads per video have definetely gone up to the intelligence insulting levels. Try watching any cartoon with your kids without an ad blocker.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26519707
I do commend you on standing for your employer and having the courage to write about a what has to be a difficult subject, for a good reason.
ps. Are you using an adblocker in your browser?
You’re talking about how much one company was able to grow ad revenue, which not surprisingly went up a lot as the company learned how to do ads. At the same time, other companies saw a large decreases revenue per user: famously, newspapers used to make a huge amount of money from classified advertising. Instead, I would look at the growth pattern of total advertising spend per American.
Someone poor enough to consider an ad-funded house their best option is not going to have a spending pattern worth $10k/y to influence.
Of course, but I don’t see what point you’re making?
Your link goes to a discussion of a change to search results which showed favicons for regular results. I again don’t have any internal information on this, but from this looked to me like a change to make search results more informative. After objections, the change was rolled back.
I’m not, and haven’t, no.