That’s the first five subsections. The next set maybe look better sourced, but I can’t imagine them being good enough to redeem the paper. I am less convinced of the link between excess meat and health issues than I was before I read it, because surely if the claim was easy to prove the paper would have better supporting evidence, or the EA Forum commenter would have picked a better source.
That’s confirmation bias if I’ve ever seen it. It seems likely to me that you’re exposed to a lot of low-quality anti-meat content, and you should correct for selection bias since you’re likely to only read what will support your views that the arguments are bad, and recommendation algorithms often select for infuriatingness.
[Note: I didn’t bother reading the pro-meat section. It may also be terrible, but this does not affect my position.]
??? Surely if meat-being-good was easy to prove, the paper would have better supporting (expected) evidence.
You should probably take a step back and disengage from that topic to restore your epistemics about how you engage with (expected low-quality) pro-vegan content.
You think that Elizabeth should have expected that taking an EA forum post with current score 87, written by “a vegan author and data scientist at a plant-based meat company”, and taking “what looked like his strongest source”, would yield a low-quality pro-vegan article? I mean, maybe that’s true, but if so, that seems like a harsher condemnation of vegan advocacy than anything Elizabeth has written.
Not before reading the link, but Elizabeth did state that they expected the pro-meat section to be terrible without reading it, presumably because of the first part.
Since the article is low-quality in the part they read and expected low-quality in the part they didn’t, they shouldn’t take it as evidence of anything at all; that is why I think it’s probably confirmation bias to take it as evidence against excess meat being related to health issues.
Reason for retraction: In hindsight, I think my tone was unjustifiably harsh and incendiary. Also the karma tells that whatever I wrote probably wasn’t that interesting.
That’s confirmation bias if I’ve ever seen it.
It seems likely to me that you’re exposed to a lot of low-quality anti-meat content, and you should correct for selection bias since you’re likely to only read what will support your views that the arguments are bad, and recommendation algorithms often select for infuriatingness.
??? Surely if meat-being-good was easy to prove, the paper would have better supporting (expected) evidence.
You should probably take a step back and disengage from that topic to restore your epistemics about how you engage with (expected low-quality) pro-vegan content.
You think that Elizabeth should have expected that taking an EA forum post with current score 87, written by “a vegan author and data scientist at a plant-based meat company”, and taking “what looked like his strongest source”, would yield a low-quality pro-vegan article? I mean, maybe that’s true, but if so, that seems like a harsher condemnation of vegan advocacy than anything Elizabeth has written.
Not before reading the link, but Elizabeth did state that they expected the pro-meat section to be terrible without reading it, presumably because of the first part.
Since the article is low-quality in the part they read and expected low-quality in the part they didn’t, they shouldn’t take it as evidence of anything at all; that is why I think it’s probably confirmation bias to take it as evidence against excess meat being related to health issues.
Reason for retraction: In hindsight, I think my tone was unjustifiably harsh and incendiary. Also the karma tells that whatever I wrote probably wasn’t that interesting.