rukidding wrote: now you’re claiming brainwashed (if not drug-induced) suicide of defenseless and unsuspecting people isn’t the height of cowardice. Is there a reason you can’t work on your OWN biases?
I agree with you on two points, ru, (1) that the overall thrust of this post by Eliezer is strong, and (2) that cowardice is a fair and accurate descriptor of the hijackers.
I understand Eliezer’s point about the folly of tossing every kitchen-sink insult at the Enemy even when it’s inaccurate. I think he just chose a bad example. The definition of cowardice doesn’t seem very nuanced at all. A willingness to commit suicide does not necessarily entail bravery, and certainly not to the degree that the very idea of calling a suicide cowardly is laughable, as Eliezer implies.
However, this seems to come from a lack of nuance or accuracy in defining that word, not from some overlooked bias of Eliezer’s. And the “Native American Genocide Day” thread derailer was misplaced humor (IMO). I fail to see some systematic political bias that you imply.
Also: it seems to me that there are a number of rather vocal people on this board that speak for some pretty conservative philosophical and economic positions. I have no problem with this. I share and understand your frustration with kneejerk liberal bias. But I think you might be burning straw men here. For a blog with an open comments policy, the level of discourse here is remarkably high. Are you sure this isn’t leftover rage from some other board?
And to everyone, please: I would highly recommend that… you add a refusal to fall victim to anti-Bush propaganda. Certainly sound advice. But you are mistaken if you think “everyone” who posts to Overcoming Bias needs such an elementary reminder.
rukidding wrote: now you’re claiming brainwashed (if not drug-induced) suicide of defenseless and unsuspecting people isn’t the height of cowardice. Is there a reason you can’t work on your OWN biases?
I agree with you on two points, ru, (1) that the overall thrust of this post by Eliezer is strong, and (2) that cowardice is a fair and accurate descriptor of the hijackers.
I understand Eliezer’s point about the folly of tossing every kitchen-sink insult at the Enemy even when it’s inaccurate. I think he just chose a bad example. The definition of cowardice doesn’t seem very nuanced at all. A willingness to commit suicide does not necessarily entail bravery, and certainly not to the degree that the very idea of calling a suicide cowardly is laughable, as Eliezer implies.
However, this seems to come from a lack of nuance or accuracy in defining that word, not from some overlooked bias of Eliezer’s. And the “Native American Genocide Day” thread derailer was misplaced humor (IMO). I fail to see some systematic political bias that you imply.
Also: it seems to me that there are a number of rather vocal people on this board that speak for some pretty conservative philosophical and economic positions. I have no problem with this. I share and understand your frustration with kneejerk liberal bias. But I think you might be burning straw men here. For a blog with an open comments policy, the level of discourse here is remarkably high. Are you sure this isn’t leftover rage from some other board?
And to everyone, please: I would highly recommend that… you add a refusal to fall victim to anti-Bush propaganda. Certainly sound advice. But you are mistaken if you think “everyone” who posts to Overcoming Bias needs such an elementary reminder.