Thanks for making this post and video. It helped me understand the grabby aliens concept much better.
One nagging question.
I find myself as an individual in a non-grabby civilization. But, according to the grabby aliens model, the vast, vast preponderance of individuals will exist in huge, universe-spanning, grabby alien civilizations. And, using the style of argument used in the grabby aliens model, summed up by Steven Byrnes in his sibling comment:
Please correct me if I’m wrong, but this model seems to take for granted the idea that we can line up all the intelligent civilizations in the past and future history of the universe, and treat “humans on earth” as if it’s randomly drawn from that distribution. That seems to be a core piece of the model, if I’m understanding it right.
This is incredibly unlikely, and must be explained, which seems like a weakness of the model.
I find an idea of having children to be morally abhorrent. Granted, right now alternatives are even worse so it is lesser evil—but evil none the less. Presumably grabby civilization able come up with better alternatives. Maybe you will become individual of grabby civilization, individual with great personality and rich inner world spanning multiple solar systems?
Thanks for making this post and video. It helped me understand the grabby aliens concept much better.
One nagging question.
I find myself as an individual in a non-grabby civilization. But, according to the grabby aliens model, the vast, vast preponderance of individuals will exist in huge, universe-spanning, grabby alien civilizations. And, using the style of argument used in the grabby aliens model, summed up by Steven Byrnes in his sibling comment:
This is incredibly unlikely, and must be explained, which seems like a weakness of the model.
I find an idea of having children to be morally abhorrent. Granted, right now alternatives are even worse so it is lesser evil—but evil none the less. Presumably grabby civilization able come up with better alternatives. Maybe you will become individual of grabby civilization, individual with great personality and rich inner world spanning multiple solar systems?