I was not aware that analytical chemists make climate models and causal models, too...
They can. Though the people who came up with the infrared spectroscopy technique may not have been analytical chemists by trade. Mostly physicists, I believe. Why is this relevant? Because the same reason why infrared spectroscopy works also gives a reason for why emission cause warming.
You are confused about tenses. Coastal flooding, etc. is (note the present tense) is not a major cost. Coastal flooding might become a cost in the future, but that is a forecast. Forecasts are different from facts.
Coastal flooding damages infrastructure built on said coasts (unless said infrastructure was designed to mitigate said damage). That is a fact. I don’t see what the problem is here.
Electric batteries do not produce energy, they merely store energy. If the energy to charge these batteries comes from fossil fuels, nothing changes.
Agreed. So let me rephrase. Solar energy comes to mind. Given enough time, solar panels that were built up using tools and manpower powered by fossil fuels will eventually outproduce the energy spent to build it. This does change things if that energy can then be stored, transferred, and used for transportation purposes, since our current infrastructure still relies on such transportation technology.
This is what I mean by augmentation. Change the current infrastructure to support and accept renewable energy source over fossil fuels. We cannot do this yet globally, though some regions have managed to beat those odds.
They can. Though the people who came up with the infrared spectroscopy technique may not have been analytical chemists by trade.
You are confused between showing that CO2 is a greenhouse gas and developing climate models of the planet Earth.
Coastal flooding damages infrastructure
Yes, but coastal flooding is a permanent feature of building on the coasts. Your point was that coastal flooding (and mass migrations and deaths) are (note: present tense) the result of global warming.This is (note: present tense) not true. There are people who say that this will become (note: future tense) true, but these people are making a forecast.
Solar energy comes to mind
At which point we are talking about the whole energy infrastructure of the society and not about the costs of cars.
You are confused between showing that CO2 is a greenhouse gas and developing climate models of the planet Earth.
What other inferential steps does a person need to be shown to tell them that because CO2 is a greenhouse gas, and because there’s a lot more of it around than there used to be, that CO2 cascades into a warming event?
There are people who say that this will become (note: future tense) true, but these people are making a forecast.
The recent weather anomalies hitting earth imply the future is here.
At which point we are talking about the whole energy infrastructure of the society and not about the costs of cars.
Indeed, so why not debate at the metalevel of the infrastructure, and see where the results of that debate lead in terms of their impacts on the automotive industry? It is a massive industry, worth trillions of dollars globally, any impacts on energy infrastructure will have lasting impacts on the automotive industry.
What other inferential steps does a person need to be shown to tell them that because CO2 is a greenhouse gas, and because there’s a lot more of it around than there used to be, that CO2 cascades into a warming event?
Look up a disagreement between two chaps, Svante Arrhenius and Knut Ångström :-)
Here is the argument against your position (there is a counter-argument to it, too):
water vapor, which is far more abundant in the air than carbon dioxide, also intercepts infrared radiation. In the infrared spectrum, the main bands where each gas blocked radiation overlapped one another. How could adding CO2 affect radiation in bands of the spectrum that H2O (not to mention CO2 itself) already made opaque?
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The recent weather anomalies hitting earth imply the future is here.
Like the remarkable hurricane drought in the North America? Or are you going to actually argue that weather is climate?
so why not debate at the metalevel of the infrastructure
What was his counter-argument? I can’t read German.
Like the remarkable hurricane drought in the North America? Or are you going to actually argue that weather is climate?
Well clearly we need to establish a time range. Most sources for weather and temperature records I’ve seen span a couple of centuries. Is that not a range large enough to talk about climate instead of weather?
Sure, but it’s a different debate.
Its a related debate, especially relevant if conclusions in the debate a metalevel lower are unenlightened.
They can. Though the people who came up with the infrared spectroscopy technique may not have been analytical chemists by trade. Mostly physicists, I believe. Why is this relevant? Because the same reason why infrared spectroscopy works also gives a reason for why emission cause warming.
Coastal flooding damages infrastructure built on said coasts (unless said infrastructure was designed to mitigate said damage). That is a fact. I don’t see what the problem is here.
Agreed. So let me rephrase. Solar energy comes to mind. Given enough time, solar panels that were built up using tools and manpower powered by fossil fuels will eventually outproduce the energy spent to build it. This does change things if that energy can then be stored, transferred, and used for transportation purposes, since our current infrastructure still relies on such transportation technology.
This is what I mean by augmentation. Change the current infrastructure to support and accept renewable energy source over fossil fuels. We cannot do this yet globally, though some regions have managed to beat those odds.
You are confused between showing that CO2 is a greenhouse gas and developing climate models of the planet Earth.
Yes, but coastal flooding is a permanent feature of building on the coasts. Your point was that coastal flooding (and mass migrations and deaths) are (note: present tense) the result of global warming.This is (note: present tense) not true. There are people who say that this will become (note: future tense) true, but these people are making a forecast.
At which point we are talking about the whole energy infrastructure of the society and not about the costs of cars.
What other inferential steps does a person need to be shown to tell them that because CO2 is a greenhouse gas, and because there’s a lot more of it around than there used to be, that CO2 cascades into a warming event?
The recent weather anomalies hitting earth imply the future is here.
Indeed, so why not debate at the metalevel of the infrastructure, and see where the results of that debate lead in terms of their impacts on the automotive industry? It is a massive industry, worth trillions of dollars globally, any impacts on energy infrastructure will have lasting impacts on the automotive industry.
Look up a disagreement between two chaps, Svante Arrhenius and Knut Ångström :-)
Here is the argument against your position (there is a counter-argument to it, too):
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Like the remarkable hurricane drought in the North America? Or are you going to actually argue that weather is climate?
Sure, but it’s a different debate.
What was his counter-argument? I can’t read German.
Well clearly we need to establish a time range. Most sources for weather and temperature records I’ve seen span a couple of centuries. Is that not a range large enough to talk about climate instead of weather?
Its a related debate, especially relevant if conclusions in the debate a metalevel lower are unenlightened.
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