Do you think the level of meat consumption in America is healthy for individuals? Do you think it’s healthy for the planet?
The level is healthy for individuals. But that includes way to much meat that has been processed dangerously (bacon, sausage), and not enough minimally processed seafood.
It’s not good for the planet. I want to deal with that by uploading my mind. Some large changes of that nature will make current meat production problems irrelevant in a few decades.
How do you feel about factory farming? Would you pay twice as much money for meat raised in a less efficient (but “more natural”) way?
Most factory farming (other than for bivalves) produces less healthy meat. I often pay twice as much for pasture-raised chicken/beef. With seafood there’s little need to pay extra to get properly raised food.
Are there any animals you would (without significantly changing your mind) never say it was okay to hunt/farm and eat? If so, what distinguishes these animals from the animals which are currently being hunted/farmed?
I’m confused about what rules I should use for primates, octopus, and dolphin. But since I haven’t had a convenient opportunity to eat any of those for years, I’ve procrastinated about deciding.
If all your friends were vegetarians, and you had to go out of your way to find meat in a similar way to how vegans must go out of their way right now, do you think you’d still be an omnivore?
I would definitely go out of my way for seafood. I don’t trust nutrition science enough to tell me how to safely go vegan. Seafood is a good source of B12, high zinc/copper ratios, iodine, and omega-3. I probably wouldn’t go much out of my way for chicken, beef, etc.
For Vegetarians:
If there was a way to grow meat in a lab that was indistinguishable from normal meat, and the lab-meat had never been connected to a brain, do you expect you would eat it? Why/why not?
“never connected to a brain” doesn’t seem like quite the right criterion. I expect there’s some technology that would satisfy my ethical criteria (Drexlerian nanotech?), in which case I would eat moderate amounts of meat (if it’s not too expensive).
Indigenous hunter gatherers across the world get around 30 percent of their annual calories from meat. Chimpanzees, our closest non-human relatives, eat meat. There are arguments that humans evolved to eat meat and that it’s natural to do so. Would you disagree? Elaborate.
Evolution creates enormous amounts of suffering. Natural should in most contexts be interpreted as amoral or immoral.
Maybe we’ve evolved to be healthier if we eat some animals, but most of the evidence I’ve seen suggests that bivalves are a much more effective way of getting the relevant nutrition than cruelly farmed vertebrates.
Do you think it’s any of your business what other people eat? Have you ever tried (more than just suggesting it or leading by example) to get someone to become a vegetarian or vegan?
Yes, it’s my business whether you are cruel to innocent beings who can’t defend themselves.
A culture of cruelty can have widespread effects beyond current nonhuman animals. We’re on the verge of creating many new forms of digital life. I want to set good precedents for how they are treated.
I haven’t yet actively tried to persuade anyone yet. I feel a little guilty about that, but it seems like a lower priority than x-risks. Also, I’ve only been vegetarian for seven months. I expect that eventually I’ll find a context in which I feel comfortable enough to actively argue for vegetarianism.
What do you think is the primary health risk of eating meat (if any)?
Too much of that meat has been processed in ways that create or add new chemicals that we’re poorly evolved to handle. E.g. smoking (bacon), and nitrates (sausage).
A less drastic health risk that’s harder to avoid comes from mycotoxins on poorly stored grain that factory farmed animals eat.
For Omnivores:
Do you think the level of meat consumption in America is healthy for individuals? Do you think it’s healthy for the planet?
The level is healthy for individuals. But that includes way to much meat that has been processed dangerously (bacon, sausage), and not enough minimally processed seafood.
It’s not good for the planet. I want to deal with that by uploading my mind. Some large changes of that nature will make current meat production problems irrelevant in a few decades.
How do you feel about factory farming? Would you pay twice as much money for meat raised in a less efficient (but “more natural”) way?
Most factory farming (other than for bivalves) produces less healthy meat. I often pay twice as much for pasture-raised chicken/beef. With seafood there’s little need to pay extra to get properly raised food.
Are there any animals you would (without significantly changing your mind) never say it was okay to hunt/farm and eat? If so, what distinguishes these animals from the animals which are currently being hunted/farmed?
I’m confused about what rules I should use for primates, octopus, and dolphin. But since I haven’t had a convenient opportunity to eat any of those for years, I’ve procrastinated about deciding.
If all your friends were vegetarians, and you had to go out of your way to find meat in a similar way to how vegans must go out of their way right now, do you think you’d still be an omnivore?
I would definitely go out of my way for seafood. I don’t trust nutrition science enough to tell me how to safely go vegan. Seafood is a good source of B12, high zinc/copper ratios, iodine, and omega-3. I probably wouldn’t go much out of my way for chicken, beef, etc.
For Vegetarians:
If there was a way to grow meat in a lab that was indistinguishable from normal meat, and the lab-meat had never been connected to a brain, do you expect you would eat it? Why/why not?
“never connected to a brain” doesn’t seem like quite the right criterion. I expect there’s some technology that would satisfy my ethical criteria (Drexlerian nanotech?), in which case I would eat moderate amounts of meat (if it’s not too expensive).
Indigenous hunter gatherers across the world get around 30 percent of their annual calories from meat. Chimpanzees, our closest non-human relatives, eat meat. There are arguments that humans evolved to eat meat and that it’s natural to do so. Would you disagree? Elaborate.
Evolution creates enormous amounts of suffering. Natural should in most contexts be interpreted as amoral or immoral.
Maybe we’ve evolved to be healthier if we eat some animals, but most of the evidence I’ve seen suggests that bivalves are a much more effective way of getting the relevant nutrition than cruelly farmed vertebrates.
Do you think it’s any of your business what other people eat? Have you ever tried (more than just suggesting it or leading by example) to get someone to become a vegetarian or vegan?
Yes, it’s my business whether you are cruel to innocent beings who can’t defend themselves.
A culture of cruelty can have widespread effects beyond current nonhuman animals. We’re on the verge of creating many new forms of digital life. I want to set good precedents for how they are treated.
I haven’t yet actively tried to persuade anyone yet. I feel a little guilty about that, but it seems like a lower priority than x-risks. Also, I’ve only been vegetarian for seven months. I expect that eventually I’ll find a context in which I feel comfortable enough to actively argue for vegetarianism.
What do you think is the primary health risk of eating meat (if any)?
Too much of that meat has been processed in ways that create or add new chemicals that we’re poorly evolved to handle. E.g. smoking (bacon), and nitrates (sausage).
A less drastic health risk that’s harder to avoid comes from mycotoxins on poorly stored grain that factory farmed animals eat.