yeah maybe that’s fair. perhaps what I’m bothered about is that they didn’t give up sooner then, because they seem to have gotten a lot more useful as soon as they got around to giving up
That is an interesting point, although still downvoted for ignoring the core point of my post and continuing in the frame I’m specifically arguing against.
wait, I’m actually confused now. I think that was me pivoting? I’m agreeing that “giving up” wasn’t a process of deciding to do nothing, but rather one of abandoning their doing-nothing plan and starting to do something? My point is, the point at which they became highly useful was the one at which they stopped trying to be the Fancy Math Heros and instead became just fancy community organizers.
That or maybe I’m being stupid and eyes-glazed again and failing to even comprehend your meaning. Sometimes I can have remarkable difficulty seeing through the surface levels of things, to the point that I legitimately wonder if there’s something physically wrong with my brain. If I’m missing something, could you rephrase it down enough that a current gen language model would understand what I missed? If not, I’ll try to come back to this later.
Separate from whether this is relevant/useful in general, I don’t think “being wrong” has anything to do with giving up.
yeah maybe that’s fair. perhaps what I’m bothered about is that they didn’t give up sooner then, because they seem to have gotten a lot more useful as soon as they got around to giving up
That is an interesting point, although still downvoted for ignoring the core point of my post and continuing in the frame I’m specifically arguing against.
wait, I’m actually confused now. I think that was me pivoting? I’m agreeing that “giving up” wasn’t a process of deciding to do nothing, but rather one of abandoning their doing-nothing plan and starting to do something? My point is, the point at which they became highly useful was the one at which they stopped trying to be the Fancy Math Heros and instead became just fancy community organizers.
That or maybe I’m being stupid and eyes-glazed again and failing to even comprehend your meaning. Sometimes I can have remarkable difficulty seeing through the surface levels of things, to the point that I legitimately wonder if there’s something physically wrong with my brain. If I’m missing something, could you rephrase it down enough that a current gen language model would understand what I missed? If not, I’ll try to come back to this later.
Okay, it was not clear that’s what you meant.
yeah, I guess it wasn’t.