Calling something “Non-spiritual” doesn’t make it not a religion.
And calling something ‘religious’ makes it so? You said “the LWer concludes that this message amounts to religious spam or close to that.” And I responded with a question “what is the factual basis for such a conclusion?”. Don’t you think it would be a much more fruitful discussion if we sticked to the facts instead of intuitions/impressions/guesses/probabilities?
Human cognitive biases and other issues make it almost impossible for humans to judge anything about our own cognitive structures.
Yet what I originally claimed is a rather simple and obvious fact, based on common sense and experience, about bucketing our experience into sensations, thoughts and feelings, and not “judging about our cognitive structures”. There really is nothing to our experience outside sensations, thoughts and feelings.
And to claim that t there are no experiments needed is to essentially adopt an anti-scientific viewpoint.
Indeed there can be no experiments to verify the nature of subjective experience. Experiments can only arrive at the physical correlates (such as nerve pathways), but never at the subjective content itself. In the level of brain, it all comes down to neurons; yet, when we say “I sense …” or “I think …” or “I feel …” we are distinctly referring to sensations, thoughts and feelings.
As to the difference between “enlightenment” and “actual freedom” I don’t see one.
The very passage you are responding to contains this: “not enlightement (where feelings are still in existent)” implying that in an actual freedom, feelings are non-existent. It is beyond me how you failed to see that.
And calling something ‘religious’ makes it so? You said “the LWer concludes that this message amounts to religious spam or close to that.” And I responded with a question “what is the factual basis for such a conclusion?”. Don’t you think it would be a much more fruitful discussion if we sticked to the facts instead of intuitions/impressions/guesses/probabilities?
Yet what I originally claimed is a rather simple and obvious fact, based on common sense and experience, about bucketing our experience into sensations, thoughts and feelings, and not “judging about our cognitive structures”. There really is nothing to our experience outside sensations, thoughts and feelings.
Indeed there can be no experiments to verify the nature of subjective experience. Experiments can only arrive at the physical correlates (such as nerve pathways), but never at the subjective content itself. In the level of brain, it all comes down to neurons; yet, when we say “I sense …” or “I think …” or “I feel …” we are distinctly referring to sensations, thoughts and feelings.
The very passage you are responding to contains this: “not enlightement (where feelings are still in existent)” implying that in an actual freedom, feelings are non-existent. It is beyond me how you failed to see that.