I really don’t like when people downvote so heavily without giving reasons—think this is nicely argued!
One issue I do have is that Bob Fischer, the conductor of the Rethink study, warned about exactly what you are sorta doing here in being like ah now we can use x amount of shrimp and saying we can trolly problem a human for that many. This is just one contention, but I think the point is important and people willing to take weird/ controversial ideas seriously (especially here!) should take it more seriously!
Saying that we should donate there as opposed to AMF, for example, I would argue is trolleying. You’re making tradeoffs and implicitly saying this is worth as much as that. Perhaps you’re giving lower trade offs than the pain pleasure stuff, but you didn’t really mention these, and they seem important to the end claim “and for these reasons, you should donate to shrimp welfare.”
I really don’t like when people downvote so heavily without giving reasons—think this is nicely argued!
One issue I do have is that Bob Fischer, the conductor of the Rethink study, warned about exactly what you are sorta doing here in being like ah now we can use x amount of shrimp and saying we can trolly problem a human for that many. This is just one contention, but I think the point is important and people willing to take weird/ controversial ideas seriously (especially here!) should take it more seriously!
But I’m not trolleying them—I’m talking about how bad their suffering is.
Saying that we should donate there as opposed to AMF, for example, I would argue is trolleying. You’re making tradeoffs and implicitly saying this is worth as much as that. Perhaps you’re giving lower trade offs than the pain pleasure stuff, but you didn’t really mention these, and they seem important to the end claim “and for these reasons, you should donate to shrimp welfare.”
Fischer’s not against using it for tradeoffs, he’s against using it as a singular indicator of worth.