No. I deliberately re-used a similar construct to Wireheading theories to expose more easily that many people disagree with this.
Yes, but they disagree because what they want is not the same as what they would like.
The “weak points” I spoke of is that you consider some “weaknesses” of your position, namely others’ mental states, but those are not the weakest of your position, nor are you using the strongest “enemy” arguments to judge your own position, and the other pieces of data also indicate that there’s mind-killing going on.
The value of others’ mental states is not a weakness of my position; I just considered them irrelevant for the purposes of the experience machine thought experiment. The fact that hooking up to the machine would take away resources that could be used to help others weighs against hooking up. I am not necessarily in favor of wireheading.
I am not aware of weaknesses of my position, nor in what way I am mind-killing. Can you tell me?
[...] it’s almost an applause light.
Yes! So why is nobody applauding? Because they disagree with some part of it. However, the part they disagree with is not what the referent of “pleasure” is, or what kind of elaborate outside-world engineering is needed to bring it about (which has instrumental value on my view), but the part where I say that the only terminal value is in mental states that you cannot help but value.
The burden of proof isn’t actually on my side. A priori, nothing has value. I’ve argued that the quality of mental states has (terminal) value. Why should we also go to any length to placate desires?
Hm, a bit over-condensed. More like the burden of proof is on yourself, to yourself. Once you have satisfied that, argument should be an exercise in communication, not rhetoric.
Yes, but they disagree because what they want is not the same as what they would like.
The value of others’ mental states is not a weakness of my position; I just considered them irrelevant for the purposes of the experience machine thought experiment. The fact that hooking up to the machine would take away resources that could be used to help others weighs against hooking up. I am not necessarily in favor of wireheading.
I am not aware of weaknesses of my position, nor in what way I am mind-killing. Can you tell me?
Yes! So why is nobody applauding? Because they disagree with some part of it. However, the part they disagree with is not what the referent of “pleasure” is, or what kind of elaborate outside-world engineering is needed to bring it about (which has instrumental value on my view), but the part where I say that the only terminal value is in mental states that you cannot help but value.
The burden of proof isn’t actually on my side. A priori, nothing has value. I’ve argued that the quality of mental states has (terminal) value. Why should we also go to any length to placate desires?
To a rationalist, the “burden of proof” is always on one’s own side.
Hm, a bit over-condensed. More like the burden of proof is on yourself, to yourself. Once you have satisfied that, argument should be an exercise in communication, not rhetoric.
Agree completely.
This would seem to depend on the instrument goal motivating the argument.