I’m still uncertain myself. My key crux at the moment is how side effects of the 2nd dose compare to side-effects of the 3rd dose.
I remember some posts that suggest the amount of people who sought medical help after the 3rd dose was concerningly higher.
While researching I found https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7039e4.htm?s_cid=mm7039e4_w as a source and going from 0/0->2.1/1.4 (Moderna/Pfizer) indeed sounds concerning. However it seems like the 0′s were only based on a total of 64/66 patients so a good part of that difference might be random noise.
Going from 25.0/15.2 to 35.2/18.1 (Moderna/Pfizer) for “Unable to perform normal daily activities” seems like it’s a concerning increase in side-effects for Moderna but not for Pfizer.
If there’s immunity against PEG build up that produces the side-effects and potentially creating something like a life-time-limit for mRNA vaccines we should see that by increased side effects.
It’s been a while since the above publication so if anyone finds more data it would be great to look at it.
For what it’s worth, the CDC reported that side effects to the booster are less compared with the second dose, and that was also my personal experience.
This would be really good news for me, since my second shot effects were severe. I don’t trust the CDC on this so went looking for papers and found this pre-print from Israel, that found booster symptoms were in the same ballpark as second shots. This release from the CDC found the same thing.
I was linking to a news article on CNBC that quoted the CDC director. in the third paragraph. I didn’t take the time to track it back to the CDC directly.
I’m still uncertain myself. My key crux at the moment is how side effects of the 2nd dose compare to side-effects of the 3rd dose.
I remember some posts that suggest the amount of people who sought medical help after the 3rd dose was concerningly higher.
While researching I found https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7039e4.htm?s_cid=mm7039e4_w as a source and going from 0/0->2.1/1.4 (Moderna/Pfizer) indeed sounds concerning. However it seems like the 0′s were only based on a total of 64/66 patients so a good part of that difference might be random noise.
Going from 25.0/15.2 to 35.2/18.1 (Moderna/Pfizer) for “Unable to perform normal daily activities” seems like it’s a concerning increase in side-effects for Moderna but not for Pfizer.
If there’s immunity against PEG build up that produces the side-effects and potentially creating something like a life-time-limit for mRNA vaccines we should see that by increased side effects.
It’s been a while since the above publication so if anyone finds more data it would be great to look at it.
For what it’s worth, the CDC reported that side effects to the booster are less compared with the second dose, and that was also my personal experience.
This would be really good news for me, since my second shot effects were severe. I don’t trust the CDC on this so went looking for papers and found this pre-print from Israel, that found booster symptoms were in the same ballpark as second shots. This release from the CDC found the same thing.
It seems strange to link to a statement that’s not by the CDC if you want to talk about what the CDC reported. In general I’d love to see data.
I was linking to a news article on CNBC that quoted the CDC director. in the third paragraph. I didn’t take the time to track it back to the CDC directly.