I read it as Snape being happy that Voldemort offered Lily an out: his deal with Voldemort must have been “please let Lily live and I’ll do anything”. The memory confirms the story that Voldemort gave Lily an option out (“stand aside”). So he considers Voldemort to have held up his side of the bargain.
This interpretation does not bode well for the Dumbledore-Snape alliance (which already seemed to be in bad shape in MoR)
Snape saw that Voldemort had kept his word, and only killed Lily when she attacked him first.
It seemed to me that Harry hadn’t learned his lesson about his talks with Snape. He even noted that Snape’s allegiance was wavering, and yet he shows him that Voldie given Lily her chance.
Harry didn’t learn, no. But is that an advantage or a disadvantage? To go back to Chapter 76:
“It’s strange,” Snape said quietly. “I have had two mentors, over the course of my days. Both were extraordinarily perceptive, and neither one ever told me the things I wasn’t seeing. It’s clear enough why the first said nothing, but the second...” Snape’s face tightened. “I suppose I would have to be naive, to ask why he stayed silent.”
Now, yes, this separates Snape from Dumbledore. But Dumbledore is not the protagonist. Harry is the protagonist. And what Snape can learn from Harry’s actions are:
Harry Potter will tell him the truth; Snape can trust Harry Potter.
-or-
Harry Potter is a brilliant plotter; so good that even at age eleven he outclasses both Voldemort and Dumbledore with his ability to fake being honest and trustworthy.
If the first is true, Snape can put his trust in Harry, where he cannot trust Voldemort or Dumbledore. In a world where the prophecy clearly declares Harry Potter a power that ranks with Voldemort, isn’t the obvious power to align oneself with the one who you can trust? When looking at the future, do you want it dominated by someone who let you wallow in foolishness and pain for their own advantage, or someone who treated you as you would wish to be treated? (Well, it might just mean the boy doesn’t have enough guile to win, of course, but that suggests merely not burning your bridges. You’re already in the other camp, after all . . .)
If the second is true, the only sensible course is to make oneself as useful to Harry as possible, because Harry is unstoppable.
Who were Snape’s two mentors? I used to think they were Voldemort and Dumbledore, in that order. But from the new chapter we learn that Snape only became a Death Eater when he told the prophecy to Voldemort, and that must have been immediately before Voldemort died or vanished. That doesn’t seem to leave enough time for Voldemort to be a mentor to Snape.
The timetable is getting tight for Voldemort to mentor Snape significantly, but I really don’t see who else it could be; especially since it doesn’t sound to me like it’s supposed to be a huge mystery who the second mentor was. (I think we can exclude Quirrel/Monroe entirely.)
I like this as a hint as to where Snape might move next. His detachment from Dumbledore makes him a free agent in my book, unless he’s more beholden to Lucius than I know.
If he really wanted to let Lily live, he would have stunned her, or he would moved to cast the Killing Curse on the crib without harming her.
That’s true enough.
But I don’t think keeping his deal with Snape required making sure that Lily lived, it required giving her a chance. You say it was a crappy chance. Maybe so. But this was a concession on Voldemort’s part, and expecting a Dark Lord to do more than the letter of an agreement is asking a bit much.
But after his previous encounter with Snape, where he offered Snape advice while not knowing what the advice was about, he seemed to accept that discretion can sometimes be the better part of valor, and maybe sometimes you should just shut up.
He didn’t need to be sharing these facts with Snape, he even recognized in the moment the undesirability of doing so, and yet he spilled the beans regardless. That boy just aint never gonna learn.
I read it as Snape being happy that Voldemort offered Lily an out: his deal with Voldemort must have been “please let Lily live and I’ll do anything”. The memory confirms the story that Voldemort gave Lily an option out (“stand aside”). So he considers Voldemort to have held up his side of the bargain.
This interpretation does not bode well for the Dumbledore-Snape alliance (which already seemed to be in bad shape in MoR)
That’s how I read it as well.
Snape saw that Voldemort had kept his word, and only killed Lily when she attacked him first.
It seemed to me that Harry hadn’t learned his lesson about his talks with Snape. He even noted that Snape’s allegiance was wavering, and yet he shows him that Voldie given Lily her chance.
Harry didn’t learn, no. But is that an advantage or a disadvantage? To go back to Chapter 76:
Now, yes, this separates Snape from Dumbledore. But Dumbledore is not the protagonist. Harry is the protagonist. And what Snape can learn from Harry’s actions are:
Harry Potter will tell him the truth; Snape can trust Harry Potter. -or- Harry Potter is a brilliant plotter; so good that even at age eleven he outclasses both Voldemort and Dumbledore with his ability to fake being honest and trustworthy.
If the first is true, Snape can put his trust in Harry, where he cannot trust Voldemort or Dumbledore. In a world where the prophecy clearly declares Harry Potter a power that ranks with Voldemort, isn’t the obvious power to align oneself with the one who you can trust? When looking at the future, do you want it dominated by someone who let you wallow in foolishness and pain for their own advantage, or someone who treated you as you would wish to be treated? (Well, it might just mean the boy doesn’t have enough guile to win, of course, but that suggests merely not burning your bridges. You’re already in the other camp, after all . . .)
If the second is true, the only sensible course is to make oneself as useful to Harry as possible, because Harry is unstoppable.
Who were Snape’s two mentors? I used to think they were Voldemort and Dumbledore, in that order. But from the new chapter we learn that Snape only became a Death Eater when he told the prophecy to Voldemort, and that must have been immediately before Voldemort died or vanished. That doesn’t seem to leave enough time for Voldemort to be a mentor to Snape.
Note that the prophecy is from before Harry was born, and his parents died when he was over a year old.
The timetable is getting tight for Voldemort to mentor Snape significantly, but I really don’t see who else it could be; especially since it doesn’t sound to me like it’s supposed to be a huge mystery who the second mentor was. (I think we can exclude Quirrel/Monroe entirely.)
I like this as a hint as to where Snape might move next. His detachment from Dumbledore makes him a free agent in my book, unless he’s more beholden to Lucius than I know.
Right, Chapter 76 was mainly to verify that Harry was trustworthy.
He gave her a slight chance of living with the guilt of having scarified her son, which sounds more like torture than generosity to me.
If he really wanted to let Lily live, he would have stunned her, or he would moved to cast the Killing Curse on the crib without harming her.
Asking her to voluntarily stop protecting her child is sadism, not a real attempt at sparring her life.
That’s true enough.
But I don’t think keeping his deal with Snape required making sure that Lily lived, it required giving her a chance. You say it was a crappy chance. Maybe so. But this was a concession on Voldemort’s part, and expecting a Dark Lord to do more than the letter of an agreement is asking a bit much.
Harry isn’t much of a believer in the noble lie, if you haven’t noticed.
He didn’t even have to lie. All he had to do was say the thing in italics which he thought, right before the end.
Snape if anyone understands exactly how excruciating emotional pain can be.
But after his previous encounter with Snape, where he offered Snape advice while not knowing what the advice was about, he seemed to accept that discretion can sometimes be the better part of valor, and maybe sometimes you should just shut up.
He didn’t need to be sharing these facts with Snape, he even recognized in the moment the undesirability of doing so, and yet he spilled the beans regardless. That boy just aint never gonna learn.