The outgroup is bad. There are beliefs and behaviors associated with the outgroup. Therefore these beliefs and behaviors are bad. If I show any of these beliefs and behaviors people might think I’m bad.
Fair, but I mentioned examples where the (not necessarily outgroup in an rivalrous way but non-ingroup) outsiders are not seen as bad per se, but neutral whereas the ingroup is good.
For instance a local citizen might not be seen as “bad” for being interested in foreign stuff (if the foreign countries in question are not seen as bad, just “other”, or possibly fargroup, or even viewed positively just “not us”), but this would still take away from perception of patriotism (here, assumed as positive trait) that a similar local citizen who all else being equal totally lacks interest or curiousity in foreign stuff.
Also, men and women aren’t each other’s outgroups usually (barring some more radical views) but a man who in too interested into “girl stuff” or vice versa can be seen as bad even in situations where there is no confusion where the ingroup can’t be confused with the other group. I suppose the “outgroup stuff is bad” still works if you define “bad” relative to the person’s social role. Such as “girl stuff” is “good” for girls”, “bad for boys”, even if boys and girls are equally good. “French stuff is good for French people but bad for British people”, even if British and French folks are equally good.
Then it’s about transgression of roles I guess and policing which stuff are for what people.
The opposite is also true, I’ve known some people who seriously neglected their health because they associated exercise with not-so-bright folks. Notice how it has the same process behind it, but it’s not related to knowledge the same way your example was.
I would agree that that reversed example of the nerd and jock is also bad, and perhaps could generalize that to avoid learning skills/abilities/things, instead of just intellectual knowledge, that would benefit you because it’s associated with the other outgroup/non-ingroup members.
It’s mainly about associations.
The outgroup is bad. There are beliefs and behaviors associated with the outgroup.
Therefore these beliefs and behaviors are bad. If I show any of these beliefs and behaviors people might think I’m bad.
Fair, but I mentioned examples where the (not necessarily outgroup in an rivalrous way but non-ingroup) outsiders are not seen as bad per se, but neutral whereas the ingroup is good.
For instance a local citizen might not be seen as “bad” for being interested in foreign stuff (if the foreign countries in question are not seen as bad, just “other”, or possibly fargroup, or even viewed positively just “not us”), but this would still take away from perception of patriotism (here, assumed as positive trait) that a similar local citizen who all else being equal totally lacks interest or curiousity in foreign stuff.
Also, men and women aren’t each other’s outgroups usually (barring some more radical views) but a man who in too interested into “girl stuff” or vice versa can be seen as bad even in situations where there is no confusion where the ingroup can’t be confused with the other group. I suppose the “outgroup stuff is bad” still works if you define “bad” relative to the person’s social role. Such as “girl stuff” is “good” for girls”, “bad for boys”, even if boys and girls are equally good. “French stuff is good for French people but bad for British people”, even if British and French folks are equally good.
Then it’s about transgression of roles I guess and policing which stuff are for what people.
The opposite is also true, I’ve known some people who seriously neglected their health because they associated exercise with not-so-bright folks. Notice how it has the same process behind it, but it’s not related to knowledge the same way your example was.
I would agree that that reversed example of the nerd and jock is also bad, and perhaps could generalize that to avoid learning skills/abilities/things, instead of just intellectual knowledge, that would benefit you because it’s associated with the other outgroup/non-ingroup members.