what I have yet to find is something like “put the keys in the ignition (probably located behind the wheel) and turn them until you hear the rumble- that’s the engine [...]do you know of a good place to get that ground knowledge?
Anthony Jacquin’s book “reality is plastic” is what you’re looking for. He also has a few youtube videos that are similar in nature.
At the moment, my hypothesis is either that hypnotists have some less known variation on “a magician never reveals their secrets” and that all capable hypnotists either figured out the basics via independent efforts or studied from someone they met personally who knew how it worked.
I definitely don’t get the impression that hypnotists as a whole are secretive or anything, just that it’s really hard to communicate because the levers you’re reaching for aren’t always in the same place and you need some much bigger abstractions to get beyond “hit or miss” success, or reliable success within a very narrow context. For example, one time the bit that functioned as an “induction” was saying “sshhh, shutup. no, shut up, shut up, there we go”. In most contexts that won’t exactly get the desired results, and it’s hard to give a step by step of how to do that without coming off like a rude/condescending ass.
My own blog was more about my attempts to figure out what’s really going on as explained to “myself a couple years ago”, so I didn’t bother summarizing anything that I didn’t feel was “new” or hard to get from what was already out there.
Given the capabilities ascribed to the skillset that should probably relieve me [...] An alternate hypothesis is that hypnosis just doesn’t work, like telepathy or homeopathy
Another issue is that hypnotists tend to have a different idea of what hypnosis is and can do than people who haven’t studied it. I’m the first to admit that people who hand wave away the scary bits with “hypnosis can’t do that” are dangerously wrong/lying, but it hypnosis is still a far cry from scalable/arbitrarily aimable mind control.
The damage you can do with “put the keys in the ignition and turn them until they rumble” kind of instruction can be pretty nasty in some individual cases, but the scope where it can be applied is fairly minimal in the grand scheme of things. It’s sorta like being really good at chess, so long as you manage to start in one very particular chess board state.
If you have all those moves planned out when no one else does, yes, you can do better. Generalizing that to chess as a whole changes the game in a big way.
Reality is Plastic ordered. I’ll be sure to put a review up somewhere once I’ve received/read/experimented with it. I’ll likely check out the youtube videos as well, though video is far from my favourite format to learn things from. If I get really good results out of it maybe I’ll take a shot at condensing the abstraction somewhere, though that seems a long shot at the moment.
My own blog was more about my attempts to figure out what’s really going on as explained to “myself a couple years ago”, so I didn’t bother summarizing anything that I didn’t feel was “new” or hard to get from what was already out there.
Ah, I get what you mean about your blog. Yeah, those diary-esque recordings can be really helpful to the person making them or the person in a similair place while being sometimes useless for anyone else.
I’m the first to admit that people who hand wave away the scary bits with “hypnosis can’t do that” are dangerously wrong/lying, but it hypnosis is still a far cry from scalable/arbitrarily aimable mind control.
See, that’s one of those things I keep looping around to. Even assuming I take hypnotists at their word that hypnotism is far from arbitrary mind control (which I do, for the record, though I have to at least think about the possibility) there’s a whole lot of power involved in even basic possibilities. Facebook’s news feed or a slick TV commercial exert a level of mental influence that already makes me uncomfortable. If hypnotism is potent enough to be useful, then I have to assume it’s potent enough to be harmful.
By “damage you can do” do you mean the sort of damage you can do with a handgun (intentional and directed) or the sort of damage you can do with a sedan (accidental and as often hurting yourself) or some third thing? (I recognize my examples aren’t great, but hopefully the work enough that you understand the question. If not I can try and rephrase.)
And thank you for taking the time to give direction!
At this point I have to mention that I think this is going to be more difficult than you expect, and that I wouldn’t be surprised if you, in particular, aren’t going to immediately get as much encouraging results as you’re hoping for. That’s not to say it wouldn’t be a very worthwhile journey, but I think it might require more things overturned than you currently expect.
I could certainly be wrong, of course, and I’m only gauging from these few comments. Maybe you get impressive results right away. That certainly happens, and I hope you do. I just want to make sure that if that doesn’t happen, you’re prepared to interpret it correctly.
By “damage you can do” do you mean the sort of damage you can do with a handgun (intentional and directed) or the sort of damage you can do with a sedan (accidental and as often hurting yourself) or some third thing? (I recognize my examples aren’t great, but hopefully the work enough that you understand the question. If not I can try and rephrase.)
Both.
False memories would probably be the most obvious example of accidental damage, but there are other ways too. I know someone, for example, who was given somewhat of an eating disorder by a well-intentioned but ethically and therapeutically clueless ’tist.
On the intentional side of things, the same girl was sexually assaulted by a hypnotist who abused her trust and used his hypnotic “in” to persuade her to meet him in person and then tried to bury the memories of the sexual assault. It’s pretty freaky stuff, given that he was successful on the first part and partially successful on the second, but thankfully she’s pretty much alright on both fronts now.
Anthony Jacquin’s book “reality is plastic” is what you’re looking for. He also has a few youtube videos that are similar in nature.
I definitely don’t get the impression that hypnotists as a whole are secretive or anything, just that it’s really hard to communicate because the levers you’re reaching for aren’t always in the same place and you need some much bigger abstractions to get beyond “hit or miss” success, or reliable success within a very narrow context. For example, one time the bit that functioned as an “induction” was saying “sshhh, shutup. no, shut up, shut up, there we go”. In most contexts that won’t exactly get the desired results, and it’s hard to give a step by step of how to do that without coming off like a rude/condescending ass.
My own blog was more about my attempts to figure out what’s really going on as explained to “myself a couple years ago”, so I didn’t bother summarizing anything that I didn’t feel was “new” or hard to get from what was already out there.
Another issue is that hypnotists tend to have a different idea of what hypnosis is and can do than people who haven’t studied it. I’m the first to admit that people who hand wave away the scary bits with “hypnosis can’t do that” are dangerously wrong/lying, but it hypnosis is still a far cry from scalable/arbitrarily aimable mind control.
The damage you can do with “put the keys in the ignition and turn them until they rumble” kind of instruction can be pretty nasty in some individual cases, but the scope where it can be applied is fairly minimal in the grand scheme of things. It’s sorta like being really good at chess, so long as you manage to start in one very particular chess board state.
If you have all those moves planned out when no one else does, yes, you can do better. Generalizing that to chess as a whole changes the game in a big way.
Reality is Plastic ordered. I’ll be sure to put a review up somewhere once I’ve received/read/experimented with it. I’ll likely check out the youtube videos as well, though video is far from my favourite format to learn things from. If I get really good results out of it maybe I’ll take a shot at condensing the abstraction somewhere, though that seems a long shot at the moment.
Ah, I get what you mean about your blog. Yeah, those diary-esque recordings can be really helpful to the person making them or the person in a similair place while being sometimes useless for anyone else.
See, that’s one of those things I keep looping around to. Even assuming I take hypnotists at their word that hypnotism is far from arbitrary mind control (which I do, for the record, though I have to at least think about the possibility) there’s a whole lot of power involved in even basic possibilities. Facebook’s news feed or a slick TV commercial exert a level of mental influence that already makes me uncomfortable. If hypnotism is potent enough to be useful, then I have to assume it’s potent enough to be harmful.
By “damage you can do” do you mean the sort of damage you can do with a handgun (intentional and directed) or the sort of damage you can do with a sedan (accidental and as often hurting yourself) or some third thing? (I recognize my examples aren’t great, but hopefully the work enough that you understand the question. If not I can try and rephrase.)
And thank you for taking the time to give direction!
At this point I have to mention that I think this is going to be more difficult than you expect, and that I wouldn’t be surprised if you, in particular, aren’t going to immediately get as much encouraging results as you’re hoping for. That’s not to say it wouldn’t be a very worthwhile journey, but I think it might require more things overturned than you currently expect.
I could certainly be wrong, of course, and I’m only gauging from these few comments. Maybe you get impressive results right away. That certainly happens, and I hope you do. I just want to make sure that if that doesn’t happen, you’re prepared to interpret it correctly.
Both.
False memories would probably be the most obvious example of accidental damage, but there are other ways too. I know someone, for example, who was given somewhat of an eating disorder by a well-intentioned but ethically and therapeutically clueless ’tist.
On the intentional side of things, the same girl was sexually assaulted by a hypnotist who abused her trust and used his hypnotic “in” to persuade her to meet him in person and then tried to bury the memories of the sexual assault. It’s pretty freaky stuff, given that he was successful on the first part and partially successful on the second, but thankfully she’s pretty much alright on both fronts now.