Just a side note. During my time in the Army it was always noted that group punishment was not to be imposed (outside basic training but I think that was a separate situation). I always thought that as a bit odd given the need for the unit to function as a whole. One might think that such an approach would promote more unity by make each unit member essentially their brother’s keeper (and cell mate as it were).
The only way I could understand the point—outside the innocent should not be punished aspect—was that such an approach was likely to both disrupt unit cohesion and trust as well as allow one disgruntled member undermine the entire unit.
Perhaps experience with saboteurs* (or conditions with high rates of natural accidents) could have that effect. (Though the original story would be rather nice to know.)
*Especially if the saboteurs weren’t part of the unit—stealing stuff, messing things up, etc. Then it’s obviously a good idea to implement such a rule.
I had the impression collective punishment was disallowed in the IDF, but as far as I can tell by googling this only applies to keeping soldiers from their vacations (including potentially a weekend). I couldn’t find anything about the origin but I bet collectively keeping a unit from going home was pretty common before it was disallowed in 2015, and I think it still happens today sometimes even though it’s disallowed.
Just a side note. During my time in the Army it was always noted that group punishment was not to be imposed (outside basic training but I think that was a separate situation). I always thought that as a bit odd given the need for the unit to function as a whole. One might think that such an approach would promote more unity by make each unit member essentially their brother’s keeper (and cell mate as it were).
The only way I could understand the point—outside the innocent should not be punished aspect—was that such an approach was likely to both disrupt unit cohesion and trust as well as allow one disgruntled member undermine the entire unit.
I’d be very interested to know how that rule came about.
Perhaps experience with saboteurs* (or conditions with high rates of natural accidents) could have that effect. (Though the original story would be rather nice to know.)
*Especially if the saboteurs weren’t part of the unit—stealing stuff, messing things up, etc. Then it’s obviously a good idea to implement such a rule.
I had the impression collective punishment was disallowed in the IDF, but as far as I can tell by googling this only applies to keeping soldiers from their vacations (including potentially a weekend). I couldn’t find anything about the origin but I bet collectively keeping a unit from going home was pretty common before it was disallowed in 2015, and I think it still happens today sometimes even though it’s disallowed.
source: https://www.idf.il/%D7%90%D7%AA%D7%A8%D7%99-%D7%99%D7%97%D7%99%D7%93%D7%95%D7%AA/%D7%90%D7%AA%D7%A8-%D7%94%D7%A4%D7%A7%D7%95%D7%93%D7%95%D7%AA/%D7%A4%D7%A7%D7%95%D7%93%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%9E%D7%98%D7%9B-%D7%9C/%D7%9E%D7%A9%D7%98%D7%A8-%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%A9%D7%9E%D7%A2%D7%AA-33/%D7%A9%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%95%D7%98-03/%D7%9E%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%A2%D7%AA-%D7%97%D7%95%D7%A4%D7%A9%D7%94-33-0352/