I’m still not getting the point even after the rewrite. Aren’t collective goals best served by pure collectivists with no regard for their self-interest? (Note that real humans in a communist system are not pure collectivists.) A collectivist can always just copy the individualist strategy when that is expected to best serve the collective goal.
It also looks to me like the post isn’t careful enough in distinguishing fitness-maximizing vs. adaptation-executing.
It also looks to me like the post isn’t careful enough in distinguishing fitness-maximizing vs. adaptation-executing.
Now that I know what you mean by adaptation-executing, I can tell you that it isn’t relevant. Here are the concepts I’m using:
Exploitation vs. exploration
Kin selection
These are concepts used for goal optimization and fitness maximization. Adaptation execution becomes relevant only after evolution has operated, in some particular historical context.
What are you guys talking about, exactly? Phil describes evolution as an optimisation process—which seems fair enough to me. Are you three “adaptation-execution” folk trying to deny that evolution acts as an optimisation process? If not, what does all this have to do with Phil’s original post?
I’m not sure exactly what point Steven was making, I was merely responding to Phil’s challenge to distinguish between fitness-maximization and adaption-execution.
I’m still not getting the point even after the rewrite. Aren’t collective goals best served by pure collectivists with no regard for their self-interest? (Note that real humans in a communist system are not pure collectivists.) A collectivist can always just copy the individualist strategy when that is expected to best serve the collective goal.
It also looks to me like the post isn’t careful enough in distinguishing fitness-maximizing vs. adaptation-executing.
Now that I know what you mean by adaptation-executing, I can tell you that it isn’t relevant. Here are the concepts I’m using:
Exploitation vs. exploration
Kin selection
These are concepts used for goal optimization and fitness maximization. Adaptation execution becomes relevant only after evolution has operated, in some particular historical context.
I invite you to distinguish between them.
When the environment changes more rapidly, or adaptations are adopted more slowly, adaptation-execution drifts further from fitness-maximization.
Also, organisms are always adaptation-executors rather than direct fitness-maximizers.
What are you guys talking about, exactly? Phil describes evolution as an optimisation process—which seems fair enough to me. Are you three “adaptation-execution” folk trying to deny that evolution acts as an optimisation process? If not, what does all this have to do with Phil’s original post?
I’m not sure exactly what point Steven was making, I was merely responding to Phil’s challenge to distinguish between fitness-maximization and adaption-execution.
What do you mean by adaptation-execution?
Adaptation-Executers, not Fitness-Maximizers