The world around us redounds with opportunities, explodes with opportunities, which nearly all folk ignore because it would require them to violate a habit of thought … I cannot quite comprehend what goes through people’s minds when they repeat the same failed strategy over and over, but apparently it is an astonishingly rare realization that you can try something else.
-- Eliezer Yudkowsky, putting words in my other copy’s mouth
Meta-comment: I think MoR quotes are legitimate for rationality quote pages, since IIRC we previously established that Eliezer quotes from Hacker News were kosher. And if random Eliezer comments not on OB/LW are kosher, then surely quotes from his fiction are kosher.
I’m happy to see gems from HPMOR done up in needlepoint and hung on the metaphorical wall of the parlor. But it still smells like trayf! Consider:
Quirrell avoids the ban on quoting himself by attributing the quotation to Eliezer. And he then avoids the ban on quoting Eliezer by pointing out that Eliezer was quoting Quirrell. This is clever and slippery and rabbinical and all that, but it jumps the shark when you realize that Quirrell is not just Eliezer’s HPMOR character, he is also probably his LW sock-puppet!
I didn’t know there was another antonym to kosher besides nonkosher. Interesting.
Anyway, I don’t think Quirrel is Eliezer; if he is, then most of the usual reasons against self-quoting wouldn’t apply anyway. (It’s not like Eliezer needs more karma or higher profile here.)
-- Eliezer Yudkowsky, putting words in my other copy’s mouth
Meta-comment: I think MoR quotes are legitimate for rationality quote pages, since IIRC we previously established that Eliezer quotes from Hacker News were kosher. And if random Eliezer comments not on OB/LW are kosher, then surely quotes from his fiction are kosher.
I disagree. MoR fits the same criteria (“shooting fish in a barrel”) as OB/LW.
I’m happy to see gems from HPMOR done up in needlepoint and hung on the metaphorical wall of the parlor. But it still smells like trayf! Consider:
Quirrell avoids the ban on quoting himself by attributing the quotation to Eliezer. And he then avoids the ban on quoting Eliezer by pointing out that Eliezer was quoting Quirrell. This is clever and slippery and rabbinical and all that, but it jumps the shark when you realize that Quirrell is not just Eliezer’s HPMOR character, he is also probably his LW sock-puppet!
Oh, come on. It’s obviously been the other way around all along.
You simultaneously gave me the lolz and the shivers. Karma for you!
That would violate the One Level Higher Than You principle.
What makes you certain we are not living in a simulation whose computational substrate lives in the HPMOR universe?
I didn’t know there was another antonym to kosher besides nonkosher. Interesting.
Anyway, I don’t think Quirrel is Eliezer; if he is, then most of the usual reasons against self-quoting wouldn’t apply anyway. (It’s not like Eliezer needs more karma or higher profile here.)
He is a clever guy. Be carefull!