First, I agree with the main thrust of your argument: that our current morality is riddled to the core with things derived from supernatural beliefs, and we’re going to have to rebuild it from the ground up. And that we need to stop using “life” as a primitive unit.
But I disagree with you about your specific example. I don’t think those of us who want to donate money to poor countries are trying to create more human lives, or even save more human lives—see Parfit’s Repugnant Conclusion. We’re trying to alleviate suffering.
If the best way to alleviate suffering is to buy condoms for starving Africans to prevent the birth of another generation of starving Africans, I am all for this even though it decreases the number of Africans. If the best way to alleviate suffering is to try to improve the African economy through programs like microfinance, I am all for this even though it holds the number of Africans constant. If the best way to alleviate suffering is by curing malaria, I am all for this even though it increases the number of Africans—as long as the total amount of suffering including those new Africans is less than it was before.
I draw a sharp distinction between about twenty different meanings of the word “value”. Value on instrumental grounds is one of them. When I say that drug addicts are less valuable than other people, I probably mean they’re less useful to society. That doesn’t mean it’s morally more okay to torture a drug addict than it is to torture Bill Gates (except insofar as torturing Bill Gates would disrupt his various societally useful activities). But there are a whole lot of values that aren’t value to society—even someone who’s valueless to society may well have a lot of value to himself.
I don’t know if this is exactly what you’re proposing, but I’ll argue against it anyway—I reject a “multiplier” theory of value. That is, if Person A is twice as good a person as Person B (more intelligent, prettier, whatever) then that doesn’t mean that torturing Person B is twice as acceptable as torturing Person A. A unit of suffering is a unit of suffering. Person A deserves credit for all the great things he does, but that doesn’t change the ethical calculus. The exception is that it’s better to kill an unhappy person than a happy person, because it’s a better change to the joy/suffering balance. You still can’t go around killing unhappy people willy-nilly though because of precedent reasons.
Although I value rationality, I have to admit that I value it mostly as an instrumental value. Although I value it as a terminal value a little, I don’t think it has quite as much power for me as the joy vs. suffering value. I can’t think of any non-trivial amount of torture I would inflict on Person A that would be justified if it caused Person B to read a book on Bayesian statistics. That’s why I’d prefer to spend my money on starving people in Africa than anything else. It seems like the cheapest way to alleviate the most suffering, and alleviating suffering is top priority in my ethical system right now (I include in this really indirect ways to help people in Africa, like the Singularity Institute).
My comment isn’t as clear as I think it should be, but I’m not even sure to what degree we disagree so I won’t fret too much about it (I might just be rounding you off to the nearest cliche, as one person put it). One thing, though: you do accept that even if you value education more than saving starving Africans, John Maxwell’s argument still holds, right? You just need to donate all that money to educational charities. The argument holds as long as there’s something, anything, you value more than your own convenience.
Question: am I the only person who (unless I considered immortality likely) would vastly, VASTLY prefer a death sentence to twenty years in prison?
First, I agree with the main thrust of your argument: that our current morality is riddled to the core with things derived from supernatural beliefs, and we’re going to have to rebuild it from the ground up. And that we need to stop using “life” as a primitive unit.
But I disagree with you about your specific example. I don’t think those of us who want to donate money to poor countries are trying to create more human lives, or even save more human lives—see Parfit’s Repugnant Conclusion. We’re trying to alleviate suffering.
If the best way to alleviate suffering is to buy condoms for starving Africans to prevent the birth of another generation of starving Africans, I am all for this even though it decreases the number of Africans. If the best way to alleviate suffering is to try to improve the African economy through programs like microfinance, I am all for this even though it holds the number of Africans constant. If the best way to alleviate suffering is by curing malaria, I am all for this even though it increases the number of Africans—as long as the total amount of suffering including those new Africans is less than it was before.
I draw a sharp distinction between about twenty different meanings of the word “value”. Value on instrumental grounds is one of them. When I say that drug addicts are less valuable than other people, I probably mean they’re less useful to society. That doesn’t mean it’s morally more okay to torture a drug addict than it is to torture Bill Gates (except insofar as torturing Bill Gates would disrupt his various societally useful activities). But there are a whole lot of values that aren’t value to society—even someone who’s valueless to society may well have a lot of value to himself.
I don’t know if this is exactly what you’re proposing, but I’ll argue against it anyway—I reject a “multiplier” theory of value. That is, if Person A is twice as good a person as Person B (more intelligent, prettier, whatever) then that doesn’t mean that torturing Person B is twice as acceptable as torturing Person A. A unit of suffering is a unit of suffering. Person A deserves credit for all the great things he does, but that doesn’t change the ethical calculus. The exception is that it’s better to kill an unhappy person than a happy person, because it’s a better change to the joy/suffering balance. You still can’t go around killing unhappy people willy-nilly though because of precedent reasons.
Although I value rationality, I have to admit that I value it mostly as an instrumental value. Although I value it as a terminal value a little, I don’t think it has quite as much power for me as the joy vs. suffering value. I can’t think of any non-trivial amount of torture I would inflict on Person A that would be justified if it caused Person B to read a book on Bayesian statistics. That’s why I’d prefer to spend my money on starving people in Africa than anything else. It seems like the cheapest way to alleviate the most suffering, and alleviating suffering is top priority in my ethical system right now (I include in this really indirect ways to help people in Africa, like the Singularity Institute).
My comment isn’t as clear as I think it should be, but I’m not even sure to what degree we disagree so I won’t fret too much about it (I might just be rounding you off to the nearest cliche, as one person put it). One thing, though: you do accept that even if you value education more than saving starving Africans, John Maxwell’s argument still holds, right? You just need to donate all that money to educational charities. The argument holds as long as there’s something, anything, you value more than your own convenience.
Question: am I the only person who (unless I considered immortality likely) would vastly, VASTLY prefer a death sentence to twenty years in prison?
Yes, John Maxwell’s basic argument still holds.