(Needless self-disclosing side comment:) I’m probably more coherent & reasonable because I’m buzzed & caffeinated and am commenting with the aim of conversing with people rather than the aim of avoiding culpability for not even having tried to warn people that they are making predictably-retrospectively-stupid mistakes. I don’t normally have enough motivational resources to actually try to talk to people, alas.
(I suspect that whatever motivational quirks I have are largely the result of genetic/neurological predisposition, at least up until around the age of 16 when I got a girlfriend, which is when my motivational system started to get really messed up. (Depressed girlfriend who was convinced I didn’t love her; I had to meet impossible standards, had to reliably guess in advance which impossible standards I would be expected to have already met, that kinda thing. Resulted in (double-negative?-)obsession with things like this. But I’m not entirely sure what sort of data you’re looking to get with your question.))
“Communication environment” is something I came up with on the fly, it’s not a technical term, though maybe it should be.
I was thinking about how accuracy, trust, and kindness were handled around and with you when you were a kid.
The thing is, being straightforward with people is apparently very hard work for you, and I’m wondering whether straightforwardness was ignored and/or punished when you were forming basic emotional reactions.
Not the same problem you’ve got: transcript of Ira Glass talking with Mike Daisy. Daisy had done a substantial amount of lying about conditions in an Apple factory in China, and Ira Glass’ radio show didn’t do quite enough checking to catch it, so a bunch of falsehoods went out nationally.
What caught my eye was how impossible it was for Daisy to prioritize facts over emotional effects, and I wonder if an emotional pattern like that happens by accident.
It’s possible that I’m underestimating neurological predisposition, though.
That is a very fascinating case study in how people try to get out of double bind moral obligations where one has to choose between an explicit or an implicit lie, especially when negative sum signalling games have resulted in an equilibrium where explicitly telling the truth would subjectively seem as if it was almost guaranteed to convey zero or even negative information (and thus result in in the explicit-truth-teller’s moral blameworthiness). I’m disappointed that Act Three wasn’t explicitly about that, and that in Act Two Ira doesn’t help Daisey explain the nature of the conflicting moral obligations… but I suppose that that angle would have gone over the heads of the listeners, and to most listeners it would have seemed as if Ira/NPR was trying to save face with philosophical mumbo-jumo, so Ira/NPR was forced to go the guilt-tripping route. It was really interesting anyway I guess.
I was thinking about how accuracy, trust, and kindness were handled around and with you when you were a kid.
I don’t have any reason to suspect anything abnormal, but I have very little random access to my memories.
Yeah, but your response was (forgive me for saying uncharacteristically) coherent and reasonable.
(Needless self-disclosing side comment:) I’m probably more coherent & reasonable because I’m buzzed & caffeinated and am commenting with the aim of conversing with people rather than the aim of avoiding culpability for not even having tried to warn people that they are making predictably-retrospectively-stupid mistakes. I don’t normally have enough motivational resources to actually try to talk to people, alas.
When you were a kid, what sort of communication environment were you living in?
Is this a technical term? Google isn’t helping.
(I suspect that whatever motivational quirks I have are largely the result of genetic/neurological predisposition, at least up until around the age of 16 when I got a girlfriend, which is when my motivational system started to get really messed up. (Depressed girlfriend who was convinced I didn’t love her; I had to meet impossible standards, had to reliably guess in advance which impossible standards I would be expected to have already met, that kinda thing. Resulted in (double-negative?-)obsession with things like this. But I’m not entirely sure what sort of data you’re looking to get with your question.))
“Communication environment” is something I came up with on the fly, it’s not a technical term, though maybe it should be.
I was thinking about how accuracy, trust, and kindness were handled around and with you when you were a kid.
The thing is, being straightforward with people is apparently very hard work for you, and I’m wondering whether straightforwardness was ignored and/or punished when you were forming basic emotional reactions.
Not the same problem you’ve got: transcript of Ira Glass talking with Mike Daisy. Daisy had done a substantial amount of lying about conditions in an Apple factory in China, and Ira Glass’ radio show didn’t do quite enough checking to catch it, so a bunch of falsehoods went out nationally.
What caught my eye was how impossible it was for Daisy to prioritize facts over emotional effects, and I wonder if an emotional pattern like that happens by accident.
It’s possible that I’m underestimating neurological predisposition, though.
That is a very fascinating case study in how people try to get out of double bind moral obligations where one has to choose between an explicit or an implicit lie, especially when negative sum signalling games have resulted in an equilibrium where explicitly telling the truth would subjectively seem as if it was almost guaranteed to convey zero or even negative information (and thus result in in the explicit-truth-teller’s moral blameworthiness). I’m disappointed that Act Three wasn’t explicitly about that, and that in Act Two Ira doesn’t help Daisey explain the nature of the conflicting moral obligations… but I suppose that that angle would have gone over the heads of the listeners, and to most listeners it would have seemed as if Ira/NPR was trying to save face with philosophical mumbo-jumo, so Ira/NPR was forced to go the guilt-tripping route. It was really interesting anyway I guess.
I don’t have any reason to suspect anything abnormal, but I have very little random access to my memories.
In aqua veritas, in vino sanitas.