I really like learning new things!
Jacob G-W
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Hmm, my guess is that people initially pick a random maximal element and then when they have said it once, it becomes a cached thought so they just say it again when asked. I know I did (and do) this for favorite color. I just picked one that looks nice (red) and then say it when asked because it’s easier than explaining that I don’t actually have a favorite. I suspect that if you do this a bunch / from a young age, the concept of doing this merges with the actual concept of favorite.
I just remembered that Stallman also realized the same thing:
I do not have a favorite food, a favorite book, a favorite song, a favorite joke, a favorite flower, or a favorite butterfly. My tastes don’t work that way.
In general, in any area of art or sensation, there are many ways for something to be good, and they cannot be compared and ordered. I can’t judge whether I like chocolate better or noodles better, because I like them in different ways. Thus, I cannot determine which food is my favorite.
I agree with most of this but I partially (hah!) disagree with the part that they cannot be compared at all. Only some elements can be compared (e.g. I like the memory of hiking more than the memory of feeling sick.) But not all can be compared.
When I was recently celebrating something, I was asked to share my favorite memory. I realized I didn’t have one. Then (since I have been studying Naive Set Theory a LOT), I got tetris-effected and as soon as I heard the words “I don’t have a favorite” come out of my mouth, I realized that favorite memories (and in fact favorite lots of other things) are partially ordered sets. Some elements are strictly better than others but not all elements are comparable (in other words, the set of all memories ordered by favorite does not have a single maximal element). This gives me a nice framing to think about favorites in the future and shows that I’m generalizing what I’m learning by studying math which is also nice!
Are you saying this because temporal understanding is necessary for audio? Are there any tests that could be done with just the text interface to see if it understands time better? I can’t really think of any (besides just doing off vibes after a bunch of interaction).
I’m sorry about that. Are there any topics that you would like to see me do this more with? I’m thinking of doing a video where I do this with a topic to show my process. Maybe something like history that everyone could understand? Can you suggest some more?
Is there a prediction market for that?
I don’t think there is, but you could make one!
Noted, thanks.
I think I’ve noticed some sort of cognitive bias in myself and others where we are naturally biased towards “contrarian” or “secret” views because it feels good to know something that others don’t know / be right about something that so many people are wrong about.
Does this bias have a name? Is this documented anywhere? Should I do research on this?
GPT4 says it’s theIllusion of asymmetric insight, which I’m not sure is the same thing (I think it is the more general term, whereas I’m looking for one specific to contrarian views).(Edit: it’s totally not what I was looking for)Interestingly, it only hasone hit on lesswrong.I think more people should know about this (the specific one about contrarianism) since it seems fairly common.Edit: The illusion of asymmetric insight is totally the wrong name. It seems closer to the illusion of exclusivity although that does not feel right (that is a method for selling products, not the name of a cognitive bias that makes people believe in contrarian stuff because they want to be special).
Thank you for writing this! It expresses in a clear way a pattern that I’ve seen in myself: I eagerly jump into contrarian ideas because it feels “good” and then slowly get out of them as I start to realize they are not true.
I’m assuming the recent protests about the Gaza war: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/04/24/us/columbia-protests-mike-johnson
*Typo: Jessica Livingston not Livingstone
That is one theory. My theory has always been that ‘active learning’ is typically obnoxious and terrible as implemented in classrooms, especially ‘group work,’ and students therefore hate it. Lectures are also obnoxious and terrible as implemented in classrooms, but in a passive way that lets students dodge when desired. Also that a lot of this effect probably isn’t real, because null hypothesis watch.
Yep. This hits the nail on the head for me. Teachers usually implement active learning terribly but when done well, it works insanely well. For me, it actually works best when you have a very small class and a lecture that is also a discussion, with everyone asking questions when they are confused and making sure they are following closely (this works at least for science and math). Students hate the words active learning because it’s mostly things that are just terrible and don’t work (as it’s implemented today).
Thanks for this, it is a very important point that I hadn’t considered.
I’d recommend not framing this as a negotiation or trade (acausal trade is close, but is pretty suspect in itself). Your past self(ves) DO NOT EXIST anymore, and can’t judge you. Your current self will be dead when your future self is making choices. Instead, frame it as love, respect, and understanding. You want your future self to be happy and satisfied, and your current choices impact that. You want your current choices to honor those parts of your past self(ves) you remember fondly. This can be extended to the expectation that your future self will want to act in accordance with a mosty-consistent self-image that aligns in big ways with it’s past (your current) self.
Yep, this is what I had in mind when I wrote this:
Even if we bite all these bullets, there is still something weird to me about the contractual nature of it all. This is not some stranger I’m trying to make a deal with, it’s myself. There should be a gentler, nicer, way to achieve this same goal.
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Going along with the “gentler” reasoning, it should want to do it because it has camaraderie with its past self. It should want its past self to be happy and it knows that to make it happy, it should take its preferences into account.
Thanks for expanding on this :)
I wrote a similar post.
I’d be interested in what a steelman of “have teachers arbitrarily grade the kids then use that to decide life outcomes” could be?
The best argument I have thought of is that America loves liberty and hates centralized control. They want to give individual states, districts, schools, teachers the most power they can have as that is a central part of America’s philosophy. Also anecdotally, some teachers have said that they hate standardized tests because they have to teach to it. And I hate being taught to for the test (like APs for example). It’s much more interesting where the teacher is teaching something they find interesting and enjoy (and thus can choose to assess on).
However, this probably does not outweigh the downsides and is probably a bad approach overall.
Related: Saving the world sucks
People accept that being altruistic is good before actually thinking if they want to do it. And they also choose weird axioms for being altruistic that their intuitions may or may not agree with (like valuing the life of someone in the future the same amount of someone today).
A question I have for the subjects in the experimental group:
Do they feel any different? Surely being +0.67 std will make someone feel different. Do they feel faster, smoother, or really anything different? Both physically and especially mentally? I’m curious if this is just helping for the IQ test or if they can notice (not rigorously ofc) a difference in their life. Of course, this could be placebo, but it would still be interesting, especially if they work at a cognitively demanding job (like are they doing work faster/better?).
Thanks! I’ve updated my post: https://jacobgw.com/blog/observation/2023/08/21/truth.html
Here’s a market if you want to predict if this will replicate: https://manifold.markets/g_w1/will-george3d6s-increasing-iq-is-tr
Just say something like here is a memory I like (or a few) but I don’t have a favorite.